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In 1956, Clair Cameron Patterson of the California Institute of Technology, proposed the estimate for the Earth's age which today remains the accepted value. He calculated the Earth as having been formed some 4.55 billion years ago (plus or minus 0.07 billion years)

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1997/MollyMoran.shtml"

WMAP data tell us the age of our universe with a margin of error of close to 1%...

And the answer is:
13.7 Billion Years Old!

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_mm/mr_age.html

The Nobel Quran tells us that God Created the Earth in 2 Days and the Universe and all that is in it in 6 days.

Using the more accurate age of the Universe we know that one of God's days = 13.7/6=2.28333
That puts the Quran's Earth at 4.56667
well within the Earth's Age Measurements....

It also clocks for us what a God "Day" is in actual Human Being Earth Time 2.283 Billion Years.

Mohammad could not possibly have known this...



(Edited by Dow 3/7/2006 at 01:04 AM).


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Posts: 2 | Posted: 12:46 AM on March 7, 2006 | IP
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Only one problem with your math....  a million years ago, you're ratio would've changed.  A million years from now, the ratio will change.  Given enough time, almost any ration will eventually become accurate (except 100%, and it can get close).  After all, in another 4.5 billion years (according to your math) the earth will be 9 billion years old and the universe will be 18 billion years old and the ration will be 50% instead of the current 33%.  4.5 billion years ago (when, according to you, the earth was formed) the ratio was 0% (0 billion vs 9 billion).  Try again.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 08:05 AM on March 7, 2006 | IP
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It also clocks for us what a God "Day" is in actual Human Being Earth Time 2.283 Billion Years.


Any reference to the length of a "God day" is purely extrapolation, because there's absolutely no mention of it in the Qu'ran, Torah, nor Bible. And, although I completely agree that acceptance of both religion and evolution is feasible, I have to also agree with EMyers. Sorry Dow, but that's fishy math.

Second, God is supposed to control everything, including time. Why in the world would there be a set time that God goes by, when He can go by absolutely anything He wishes? Having a set unit of time is beneath God, I personally think.


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Posts: 729 | Posted: 9:26 PM on March 7, 2006 | IP
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Uhhh, how does this prove evolution? Muh knew about the creation because he'd read or heard of the OT like everyone else in his region. It's around 600-700AD!
 


Posts: 96 | Posted: 02:01 AM on March 8, 2006 | IP
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You also have to realize that the word "day" has been translated from an original Arabic word from the Quran. This Arabic word is roughly translated to "day" but really means "a period", which therefore does not need to have a specific measure of time, and can be variable to any amount of time.

Even if the Arabic word literally meant "day", this would still be a variable measure of time, since a day is defined as the time it takes for the Earth to rotate around its axis. At the time the Universe was being created, there initially wasn't an Earth, so again we cannot use our everyday definition of a day. Again, I conclude that the "days" written in the Quran are always subject to variable change.

When you only read the translation you get a lot of misunderstandings and misconceptions. This is why so many people misquote the Quran out of context, and have claimed that it instructs people to beat their wives, and arbitrarily kill non-Muslims, etc. When you read a translation, you are reading the opinionated interpretation of a person, and not the original form. This is why the Quran's original Arabic form has been maintained by generations of memorizers for fourteen centuries, and we still have the same original Arabic text, and it is memorized by millions in the world, and it is continuously being memorized today. Their is a manuscript that is almost 1400 years old in a Turkish museum, that has the same text that we read to day in the original Arabic.
 


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Btw, the discussion on evolution in Islam is not  conclusive.

There are a number of different interpretations of verses in the Quran that support evolution.

There are some opinions that say that all living things are a product of evolution, except human kind, which was made separately. Shaykh Nuh Ha Meem Keller, a white convert to Islam. http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/evolve.htm

Then there are hardcore anti-evolutionists like Harun Yahya. http://www.harunyahya.com/

The opinions are all different, and I am neither a scholar on Islam, or Evolution, but from the small research I've done, I see a few issues need to be settled to support the argument on either way:

a) Darwin's work is old, and outdated, and he used words to indicate his hypotheses were not conclusive, and could have been wronged.

b) I've heard from a good source, that Darwin converted to Christianity shortly before he died.

c) Then there's the difference between micro-evolution, and Darwin's Tree of life. These arguments need to be settled both scientifically, and Islamically.

d) Lastly, there is that actual interpretation of the data from an Islamic perspective that needs to be determined.

Personally, I think I can conclude, that I still have full faith in Islam, and have no problems with established science.
 


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