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All scientists would agree that science cannot completely prove anything. Most, however, promote the teaching of evolution as a fact. If evolution is a scientific theory and not a religion, it must be taught as fallible. Unless, of course, evolutionists are willing to re-classify their "theory" as a faith.
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 3:04 PM on April 12, 2006 | IP
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I don't see where you're coming from on this one. If you mean by "fallible" that science is falsifiable--the capacity, but not the certainty or necessarily the probability of being wrong-- then you shouldn't have any problem with the way things are. All scientific theories, as well as the facts they are based on, are by their own definition falsifiable. Religious philosophy is un-falsifiable... that's what sets it apart from science.

Infallible can also mean "absolutely correct," in a sense that no matter what, something will always be right. A fact in science does not fit that definition of infallible either. Science always depends on our perception of the world. Our perception could be wrong--even, I dare to suggest, in things as simple and basic as "2+2=4".

Evolution is both fallible and a scientific theory based on facts, which are falsifiable.

Perhaps I'm digging too deep in definitions, though. You said that Evolution is "taught as fact." On this note, I am also confused. What exactly do you mean by this? The facts that the ToE is based on certainly should be taught as fact. If you're talking about the Theory of Evolution itself--the conclusions--then you are mistaken. No school curriculum in the entire United States demands that Evolution be taught as "The Truth." Evolution is, however, the only known scientific explanation for life, and is therefore and should therefore be taught as such, without any viable scientific alternatives whatsoever.


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   Name 1 unambigious experiment proving we came from a bacteria. All the evolving bacteria and the like are well within Creationist, ID, and anyone elses framework and always has been.
 


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All scientists would agree that science cannot completely prove anything. Most, however, promote the teaching of evolution as a fact. If evolution is a scientific theory and not a religion, it must be taught as fallible. Unless, of course, evolutionists are willing to re-classify their "theory" as a faith.

Evolution is a fact, we observe it.  The theory of evolution explains it.  Allele frequencies in populations change over time, this is evolution, this has been observed, this is a fact.  The theory of evolution explains why this happens, through mutation, genetic drift, sexual selection, natural selection, etc.  We have a pretty good understanding of how evolution works, so it's doubtful that the theory of evolution will be falsified, but if other mechanisms are discovered, that better explain our observations, the theory of evolution could be modified or even falsified.
 


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Name 1 unambigious experiment proving we came from a bacteria. All the evolving bacteria and the like are well within Creationist, ID, and anyone elses framework and always has been.

That we evolved from single celled organisms is the only theory that has any scientific evidence.  Creationism and ID have no evidence supporting them, they are dogmatic religious beliefs.
 


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Name 1 unambigious experiment proving we came from a bacteria. All the evolving bacteria and the like are well within Creationist, ID, and anyone elses framework and always has been.


Homology testing. Done.

This is in direct support of the ToE because, as both you and I know, DNA is observed to indefinetely change through populations, and there exists no reason for it to not do so 2.5 billion years ago.


Now let's get back on topic, and have you explain how you can falsify ID. This is possibly past the tenth time I've asked you for an answer to this one, Milken, so take your time.




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