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I'm confused... Am i breaking any laws by posting this?

Perhaps Hovind is more confused than i am, since i'm not the one behind bars...

More confusion:
If you want to compare the eyes, we are closest to an octopus.  Not a chimpanzee.
But he also said, in the same seminar:
Now, octopuses live in the water.  Water stops UV light so they don't need the blood vessels in front.  Now, if you want to swap eyes with an octopus have at it, but you'd be blind in a few days.

And MORE confusion:
Death is the hero of the plot because if evolution is true one animal evolves a little better than the rest for some reason - maybe a mutation or something - what must happen to the rest of them?  They have to die otherwise the good genes are diluted back into the population and lost.  Evolution is a religion of death.  Death is the hero of the plot.
Well he's right on this one (except for the religion part, of course). Evolution works its way through massive amounts of death. We are what we are thanks of all of our "ancestors" who didn't manage to become our ancestors, and were removed from the gene pool for some reason. Death sculpted life. It's tragically poetic, actually.

But that's not all Hovind has to say about bloody religions of death:
Abel's (animal) sacrifice pleased God simply because it involved death and blood.  And that's the only thing that will pay for our sin.  The purpose of the sacrifice was to have the sacrifice take our sin. (...) God is not interested in your work to pay for your sin.  It requires death.  Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin, the Bible says.  So without the blood you can not be saved. (...) Cain's offering of fruits and vegetables, as wonderful as it may have looked, was not impressive to God.  Just by the same token, your good works and my good works are not impressive to God. The only thing He is looking for is the blood.
Source: Truth Radio 4 May 2004 @ 32:15



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
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Posts: 3037 | Posted: 6:05 PM on November 6, 2009 | IP
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Sounds like crazy talk to me.  Hovind is nuts.  Furthermore, I don't particularly like that guy they keep talking about in the Bible - you know, God.  Sounds egotistical and blood-thirsty to me.  Not someone I would care to have a personal relationship with!

(Edited by orion 11/6/2009 at 6:27 PM).
 


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Haha, indeed. Well, actually i think that, as an evil god, Yahweh is kinda cute. With his cute almighty little tantrums and stuff.

I take it not many of you have seen the Powerpuff Girls.


Well, Yahweh reminds me a lot of Mojo Jojo, the arch villain of the series.


Mojo Jojo
I, Mojo Jojo, am your master, and you shall obey my commands like the dogs you are! Because I am your master, it is I who you will obey! Obeying commands is what you’ll do! I will give you commands, and you will obey them!


Mojo Jojo
I am not Bubbles! Bubbles is not who I am! I am the one, the only, single solitary doer of dastardly deeds! Purveyor of pestilence! Interloper of lawlessness! Menace to mankind! I am bad! I am evil! I am Mojo Jojo!


Yahweh
   I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

   – Exodus 20:2-6 (WEB)


Yahweh
"I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers.  Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin.  There are no survivors to even tell what happened.  I thought, 'Surely they will have reverence for me now!  Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won't need to strike again.'  But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn."  So now the LORD says: "Be patient; the time is coming soon when I will stand up and accuse these evil nations.  For it is my decision to gather together the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them.  All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy.  "On that day I will purify the lips of all people, so that everyone will be able to worship the LORD together.  My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings.
- Zephaniah 3:6-10 NLT



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
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Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Yahweh
I thought, 'Surely they will have reverence for me now!  Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won't need to strike again.'  But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn."
Sounds like an admission of a mistake. So much for omniscience.


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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Powerpuff Girls rule!


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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Oh yes, the Bible can't possibly be wrong!  
 


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Thorns came... Neat...

We have Natural Selection to explain thorns. They have "coming"...

This is an important point, and creationists contradict each other all the time.

I mean, they are obviously as intelligently designed as anything else (not at all, most likely). But the bacterial flagellum needs intelligence. Thorns only need to "come". Just as venom, fangs, horns, armors, etc.

A thorn tells us that things weren't easy. Well, everything in every living structure shows that things were never easy. And the hardships made us what we are.



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Quote from Lester10 at 2:51 PM on September 21, 2010 in the thread
Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
Contact me at youdebate.1wr@gishpuppy.com
 


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