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The Theory of Evolution is called a "theory'' for a reason. According to this theory the world was created in a huge explosion which somehow created the means for very primitive life to form. As time went on theese primative organisms adapted to their enviornment by a series of helpful mutations, becoming the modern species we see today, and eventually man. There are several problems with this theory. Life can come only from other life. Even if the right chemical combinations were present life would not be possible. Even if life could arise from nonliving matter, this matter would have to have a source. Something can't come from nothing. If organisms gradually adapted to there enviornment through a series of changes, this should be present in the fossil record, which has yet to show any evidence in this direction. The Earth itself is a very fragile enviornment.It is the only planet that we know of on which water can exist in a liquid form.If their was no ozone layer,the sun's ultraviolet rays would kill all life. Earth is at the right distance from the sun to maintain a temperature suitable for life. It is very unlikely that an explosion could cause theese ideal conditions. Order can not come from chaos. Please think about what I'm saying.


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 1:39 PM on August 6, 2006 | IP
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The Theory of Evolution is called a "theory'' for a reason.

Yes, like all scientific theories, it is supported by a huge amount of evidence, it has been tested extensively and explains a number of interrelated facts.

According to this theory the world was created in a huge explosion which somehow created the means for very primitive life to form.

Wrong on all points, this is NOT what the theory of evolution states.  The Big Bang was NOT an explosion and evolution has nothing to do with the first formation of life.  You'd better learn what your arguing about...

As time went on theese primative organisms adapted to their enviornment by a series of helpful mutations, becoming the modern species we see today, and eventually man.

Well, at least this deals with evolution.  And you forgot to mention how these mutations were naturally selected.

There are several problems with this
theory.


Name one because it's clear you don't even know what the theory of evolution is.

Life can come only from other life.

Not part of the theory of evolution!  And why do you make this claim?  You can't support it.  And please tell us where you believe life came from...

Even if the right chemical combinations were present life would not be possible.

That's not what the experts say, where's your evidence?

Even if life could arise from nonliving matter, this matter would have to have a source.

This has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.  And what do you claim is the "source" of matter and where is your evidence to support this claim?

Something can't come from nothing.

I guess you don't pay much attention to reality since vaccum fluctuations happen all the time, so something DOES come from nothing.  YOu're demonstratably wrong here.

If organisms gradually adapted to there enviornment through a series of changes, this should be present in the fossil record, which has yet to show any evidence in this
direction.


100% wrong, the fossil record is loaded with organisms that show this change, Archaeopteryx, accantostega, the therapsid line.  Creationists are forced to deny reality when shown these transitional forms.  So yes, the fossil record clearly shows us evolutionary changes and fully supports the theory of evolution.

It is very unlikely that an explosion could cause theese ideal conditions.

You're the only one talking about an explosion, no one else is, so your point is disproven.

Order can not come from chaos.

Happens all the time, so you're wrong here too.

Please think about what I'm saying.

OK, you don't know what evolution is, you don't understand physics, all your points are wrong, I think you need a better education.
 


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The Theory of Evolution is called a "theory'' for a reason. According to this theory the world was created in a huge explosion which somehow created the means for very primitive life to form. As time went on theese primative organisms adapted to their enviornment by a series of helpful mutations, becoming the modern species we see today, and eventually man. There are several problems with this theory. Life can come only from other life. Even if the right chemical combinations were present life would not be possible. Even if life could arise from nonliving matter, this matter would have to have a source. Something can't come from nothing. If organisms gradually adapted to there enviornment through a series of changes, this should be present in the fossil record, which has yet to show any evidence in this direction. The Earth itself is a very fragile enviornment.It is the only planet that we know of on which water can exist in a liquid form.If their was no ozone layer,the sun's ultraviolet rays would kill all life. Earth is at the right distance from the sun to maintain a temperature suitable for life. It is very unlikely that an explosion could cause theese ideal conditions. Order can not come from chaos. Please think about what I'm saying.


Fact: The Big Bang has nothing to do with biological Evolution.

Fact: The beginning of life has nothing to do with biological Evolution.

Fact: The terms "order" and "chaos" have nothing to do with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (that law you're attempting to paraphrase), and the 2Lot itself has nothing to do with biological Evolution.

Fact: Nothing you stated is evidence for Creation!

(Edited by EntwickelnCollin 8/6/2006 at 5:56 PM).


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Wow... sounds like the same argument I was in when I left lol.

Kitty, I don't know where you copied and pasted this but please think before you speak. If you read any of the arguments from the past you will realize you are explaining a celestial phenominon while trying to prove a point about a biological phenominon.

Regardless nothing can come from something and that is made possible by particle accelorators or something with the kinetic energy provided. i.e. a cataclysmic force know as the big-bang.

And of course you say it is unlikely that the present conditions could be created but that is illogical considering that the universe has an infinite number of stars with an infinite number of planets.If there were only two planets in the whole universe and one of them was life earth, the odds would be that 1 in two planets would sustain life as we know it. Of course infinite possibilities and infinite resources makes anything far from impossible. Of course other life could adapt to other conditions. You are trying to think into the box while  evolution as well as the big bang are theories that work from a starting point and branch off.

For arguments concerning the adaptation of life and chromosomal mutation, I suggest waiting until you take a basic biology course in school.

BTW - Who remembers me? I remember Demon and Peter. Of course there are others but I won't name them all.

I'm only back because I felt a disturbance and realized unworthy servant reared his ugly face on the forums again... I'm getting Box of Fox to come back and do fight the battle with me.


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 9:30 PM on August 7, 2006 | IP
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BTW - Who remembers me? I remember Demon and Peter. Of course there are others but I won't name them all.

Of course I remember you, glad you're back.  Yes, I know some of the arguments are the exact same as when you left, but what the hey!  

I'm only back because I felt a disturbance and realized unworthy servant reared his ugly face on the forums again... I'm getting Box of Fox to come back and do fight the battle with me.

Just who is this "unworthy servant"?  You've got me interested...
And it will be nice to have Box of Fox back as well both of you were missed!
 


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Just who is this "unworthy servant"?  You've got me interested...


He's a brainwashed anti-semite whose arguments are too rarely logical enough to respond with anything beyond a one-liner. Just check the Religion board on here.


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Thanks EntwickelnCollin, I did check out the religion board and YEEESH!  the guy's a certified loon!  

 


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Yeah Box and I chased him out a year ago and he's returned. I hadn't gone on for a year and decided to check up on the site. I wanted to see who was still here... I'm glad to see you're back.

Of course I noticed peddler hasn't shown up in a while. That's a good thing lol.

But true... unworthy is a insane theocratic fascist who hates all non-aryans. But his pictures make me laugh.


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Not to mention that he is the most aptly pseudonymed (word?) poster on the site.


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Ummm, you can't say that the chances of human life evolving on earth were small so it ouldn't have happened naturally. If you understood mathematics you would realise than you cannot calculate the probabilty of an event after the event has occured; i.e. the probability that human life evolved on earth is 1 or 100%, nothing else could of happened because nothing else did happen so all other realities collapsed. To give an example I saw a car number plate that read QW123 DFG on the way home to day, what were the chances of that happening? According to your logic one in a thousand? a billion? but the event has already happened so there was no other options, it had to happen. Your other ideas about phyics, biology and chemistry are also fundamentally flawed but that has already been commented on.
 


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Quote from kitty at 1:39 PM on August 6, 2006 :
The Theory of Evolution is called a "theory'' for a reason. According to this theory the world was created in a huge explosion which somehow created the means for very primitive life to form. As time went on theese primative organisms adapted to their enviornment by a series of helpful mutations, becoming the modern species we see today, and eventually man. There are several problems with this theory. Life can come only from other life. Even if the right chemical combinations were present life would not be possible. Even if life could arise from nonliving matter, this matter would have to have a source. Something can't come from nothing. If organisms gradually adapted to there enviornment through a series of changes, this should be present in the fossil record, which has yet to show any evidence in this direction. The Earth itself is a very fragile enviornment.It is the only planet that we know of on which water can exist in a liquid form.If their was no ozone layer,the sun's ultraviolet rays would kill all life. Earth is at the right distance from the sun to maintain a temperature suitable for life. It is very unlikely that an explosion could cause theese ideal conditions. Order can not come from chaos. Please think about what I'm saying.


I suppose it would be easier to believe a fantastic invisible something
living we don't know where, really made everything, and then made us.
and then fell in love with us, then destroyed all of us and the animals,
(well not quite all of us)

Yes, that is a far more reasonable thing to believe, it makes much more sense.


 


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No, I think it would make more sense if nothing took nothing and created everything.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 6:44 PM on December 18, 2006 | IP
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No, I think it would make more sense if nothing took nothing and created everything.


No scientist I know of proposes anything like that; however, your painting isn't as silly as Blade's, so I'll let it slip.


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You are making my head hurt.


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