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If Creationists are going to label their BS theories and poor lies a "Science" while continuing to label evolution a faith, I will accept that Creationism be taught, as it wasin my high school, as a part of a comparative literature/history class. If they will accept Scientific principles including evolution be taught in their sunday schools.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 7:32 PM on July 23, 2003 | IP
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I agree, Guest. To date, the only "work" Intelligent Design organizations (mostly beginning with Dembski's books) have accomplished is proselytizing - no research, not even IDEAS about how to go about such research. The vast majority of funds goes to advertising = propaganda.

So far, it's nothing but a campaign to discredit evolutionary theory, as if discrediting the best explanations for our many observations will PROVE a single (implausible) alternative.. :P.  

Something else I've been wanting to point out. Many of the creationists here make specious comments, which show their ignorance & inability to pay attention in biology class:

*I am not descended from a monkey.* Evolutionary theory does NOT say we are "descended from monkeys, apes, etc.."  It postulates that we had a common ancestor long before monkeys or humans existed.

*Evolution denies we were created by God*
Evolutionary theory says NOTHING about how life arose on Earth at all. It desribes the process of natural selection , mass extinctions,  etc., based on current observations and the fossil record.
The correct term for theories about the ORIGINS of life (NOT "Origins of Species") is 'abiogenesis,' which is NOT part of evolutionary theory.

*Evolution is full of gaps/ missing links.*
Ummm, yes, the theory is evolving also as we learn more and more. For instance, the Human Genome Project has created a vast new area of research and understanding.
However, while evolutionary theory is in flux, constantly searching for & adjusting to new discoveries, "Intelligent Design" is stagnant. It has NO data to offer, with or without "missing links" in understanding or evidence.  

History is full of ignorance. Humans, faced with something they did not understand, such as lightning & thunder, filled in the "gaps" of knowledge with supernatural explanations - "the gods must have done it." Today we understand the mechanism of electrical storms, and don't attribute it to Thor's hammer, or heavenly chariots, or God's bowling alley in the sky.

As science and wisdom replace such silliness, the missing areas in our knowledge are becoming fewer and smaller. Yet there are stubborn superstitionists who STILL insist on cramming supernatural explanations into those shrinking gaps - "god/s of the gaps" is a common logical fallacy:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z5C125865

[Heh - I Googled "god of the gaps" and got 179,000 hits!]    ~jill










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Posts: 3 | Posted: 4:01 PM on July 27, 2003 | IP
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I think that evolution shouldn't be taught as facts in schools, as soon as preachers begin telling their congregation that christianity is only an unproven idea. Science teachers should point out the holes in the theory of evolution when preists begin standing up during morning mass and telling everybody about the many contridictive statements found in the bible. Sounds fair[size=10][/size]
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 9:28 PM on October 11, 2003 | IP
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Or maybe they could tell people when the bible was first started.  I looked it up at many different sites and 8 of ten said 1518 B.C.  The first book was written be Moses in the wilderness.  The only possibility of him knowing about this is after he talked to the bush.
 


Posts: 61 | Posted: 4:19 PM on February 13, 2004 | IP
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Who said Moses wrote Genesis?  Lots of Christians believe that Genesis was written by 10 different people.  (by the "geaneology signatures")  Moses just edited it, but the book was written bye eyewitnesses to every event.  Can't be proven, but a good thought.

About the topic, there are tons of lies in the textbooks to try to prove evolution.  If you want me to elaborate on this, let me know....
 


Posts: 53 | Posted: 2:31 PM on February 14, 2004 | IP
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So you are saying there were eye witnesses to the creation of adam and eve?  According to you every event was written by eyewitnesses.  What lies are there in text books trying to prove evolution?
 


Posts: 61 | Posted: 3:04 PM on February 14, 2004 | IP
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About the topic, there are tons of lies in the textbooks to try to prove evolution.  If you want me to elaborate on this, let me know....


Give us a list of quotes, with the title, author, pulbisher, and publishing date, and we'll see if we can check them out.


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


Posts: 1747 | Posted: 6:13 PM on February 14, 2004 | IP
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"About the topic, there are tons of lies in the textbooks to try to prove evolution.  If you want me to elaborate on this, let me know...."

Please elaborate, E-mc2, because for all your posts so far, you haven't shown one lie for evolution, you've presented no evidence that casts doubt on the theory of evolution and you seem to run away when you can't refute anyone's point.  So yeah, we're all ready to see some of these"lies" for evolution, since we're tired of all the lies for creationism...
 


Posts: 1664 | Posted: 9:20 PM on February 14, 2004 | IP
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Humming a few bars of "Sound of Silence". . .


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


Posts: 1747 | Posted: 10:43 AM on February 17, 2004 | IP
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Care to explain what bars from sounds of silence is apoapsis?
 


Posts: 61 | Posted: 6:24 PM on February 17, 2004 | IP
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[color=fuchsia]
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i dont think it should be taught in school
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 6:46 PM on September 23, 2004 | IP
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Almost every theory in biology is questionable and will always be. It's the same thing with the theory of Evolution. From a scientific point of view the theory has been proven enough and that's why it is taught in schools.
Sure there will always be doubt and questions, but that is how it is. New information only comes when people question what other people say.

No information in the theory of Evolution is completely proven and a fact, but even the bible is doubtful.

Many people doubt the sayings of Divine Creation in the Bible just like many other people think that the theory of Evolution by Charles Darwin and other scientists is wrong.

There is no real proof for any of the theories and as long as the supporters of Divine Creation by God can't completely show and give proof for their sayings, the theory of evolution should still be taught at school because it is also important for many future careers of the students. All modern science and medicine is based on "theories" of many different kinds and a student who believes in other theories won't come far in a career in science or medicine.

Christian people often tell me to be more open minded for the teaching of the bible. They say that I can't be sure that the evolutionary teachings I learned in school are the truth.

Looking at that sentence from another point of view it could also be that the biblical teachings are wrong and that Charles Darwin and other scientists were right with their theories.

So the christian people and supporters of the "Creation by God" should also be open minded to other mostly proven theories.

No one knows what the truth is and until the supporters of Divine Creation can't give enough and serious proof the theory of Evolution should stay a part of Education at school.

I am open minded to other opinions and would like to receive other opinions about the topic, since I am researching about that topic for my English class at school

Sincerely,
Florian Baethge
evident@baethge.com
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 2:49 PM on February 7, 2005 | IP
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The 1st amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."  After analyzing this, I've concluded that in normalspeak it means Congress can't make a law that mentions a specific religion, and it can't make a law that prohibits anything that is an "excercise" of religion.  I'm debating how to interpret excercise.  If anyone could add to that it'd help me to understand a bit more.

Despite what I would interpret the law as, I don't think that religion should be allowed in school (more specifically, in the curriculem or in class), and until evolution is defined as a religion there's no problem.


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Posts: 13 | Posted: 01:25 AM on February 19, 2005 | IP
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There will nether be a problem then... evolution will nether be proven as a religion.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 10:01 AM on February 19, 2005 | IP
    
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