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A long time ago people had no idea how anything worked. The Norse said omg look theres lightning wtf is that! must be a god, and they made Thor. A few hundered years later people still didn't know how alot of things worked.

So people created Gods and Godesses to explain how everything worked, including your christian god. Nowaydays people know how many things work, including evolution, but since christianity has been around for about 2000 years people don't want to give up that belief
 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 8:12 PM on November 9, 2006 | IP
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yeah, that's it.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:27 PM on November 9, 2006 | IP
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EMyer's u n00b we can see right thru yur sarckasm.


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Posts: 729 | Posted: 12:33 AM on November 10, 2006 | IP
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Quote from sodapop112 at 8:12 PM on November 9, 2006 :
A long time ago people had no idea how anything worked. The Norse said omg look theres lightning wtf is that! must be a god, and they made Thor. A few hundered years later people still didn't know how alot of things worked.

So people created Gods and Godesses to explain how everything worked, including your christian god. Nowaydays people know how many things work, including evolution, but since christianity has been around for about 2000 years people don't want to give up that belief



Yeah sure!  If my religion didnt make sense I think i would stop believing it by now.  

Heres a thought:

Over three thousand years ago the Bible mentioned that the earth is suspended in space - He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing.” (Job 26:7)

Then more than two thousand year before Columbus sailed to America from Spain to prove the earth to be round, the Bible had already stated it to be round. The bible says: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers.” (Isa. 40:22)

Now that's the wisdom of the bible, but the people around were the ones that didnt believe the earth was round, it was the people and THIER stupid made up religions (Greek gods etc) that were wrong NOT the bible.  Same goes for today, there are so many religions based on rubish and nothing to do with the bible, however, that doesn't mean that it's the bible's fault.

Man only landed on the moon over 30 years ago, does that mean that we know everything about the universe?  Haha, I don't think so.
Can you explain where the sun gets it's immense energy from?  Or black holes?  Time?
My point being that you can't just dismiss religion as being ludicrous!  God is an almighty, extremely powerfull, inteligent force / being!  That may sound silly to you, but whats silly about believing that we're so wonderful and complex that we must have been made?  After all, technology is advanced (not nearly as much as we as humans) but someone still made it.

PS, miracles are mentioned alot in the bible but people mistake them as being fairytale type stuff.  The definition of miracle basicaly means something amazing happened without us knowing how.  Now thats not to say that there is no explanation for how it worked, just that we are too primative to understand.[b][/b]
 


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Over three thousand years ago the Bible mentioned that the earth is suspended in space - He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing.” (Job 26:7)

Yes, but the passage doesn't say the earth is suspended in space, the earth doesn't "hang on nothing", it orbits the sun.   And isn't ist strange that the Bible ALSO says that the earth is fixed and unmoving:
"Psalm 104:5  Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken"

"Isaiah 45:18  ...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..."

And just where are those pillars God set the earth on...

"Job 9:6  He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble."

"Psalm 75:3  When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm."

Then more than two thousand year before Columbus sailed to America from Spain to prove the earth to be round, the Bible had already stated it to be round. The bible says: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers.” (Isa. 40:22)"

And a circle is flat, why doesn't the Bible say sphere?  Because the Bible's view of the earth is based the ancient summarian world view, the earth is a flat circle floating on a vast sea with the heavens a great bowl over top of it.  The Bible contains no advanced scientific knowledge, it's merely primitive myth that creationists try in vain to twist into something it is not.  

Now that's the wisdom of the bible, but the people around were the ones that didnt believe the earth was round, it was the people and THIER stupid made up religions (Greek gods etc) that were wrong NOT the bible.

Of course the Bible was wrong, every time it comes to science, it's a bunch of primitive myths that have been proven wrong.  You have yet to show us any evidence of the Bible being right scientifically.

Man only landed on the moon over 30 years ago, does that mean that we know everything about the universe?

Of course not, but we know the earth isn't flat, as stated in the bible, that the earth does indeed move, contrary to what the Bible states.


Can you explain where the sun gets it's immense energy from?

Nuclear fusion, that's an easy one...Where do you think it gets it's energy?  Where does the Bible explain nuclear fusion?

Or black holes?  Time?

Being investigated as we speak.  What, you think if we don't understand something NOW, Goddidit?!?!  Don't be ridiculous, learn how science works!

My point being that you can't just dismiss religion as being ludicrous!

Sure you can, no evidence to support it!

God is an almighty, extremely powerfull, inteligent force / being!

How do you know?  You have absolutely no evidence to support this statement.

That may sound silly to you, but whats silly about believing that we're so wonderful and complex that we must have been made?

What's so silly about it, let's...
No evidence of a designer.
We observe the mechanisms in nature that can explain how we evolved naturally into complex beings, with no need for a god.
Why do you think we're so wonderful that we needed a god to design us?

After all, technology is advanced (not nearly as much as we as humans) but someone still made it.

Technology is a lousy analogy, it doesn't reproduce.  Life reproduces and evolves by natural processes,  we can directly observe how unintelligent forces have increased complexity, no need for a designer.  

You're batting .000...
 


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However you could see the Earth as a unmoving object, and all move around Earth. My reasoning is that nothing moves in reality. every thing els moves relatively to the thing, but the thing does not move. If you took the space shuttle and put in an abyss. it would not move because there would be nothing to move towards, nor any thing to move away from, than the space shuttle would not be moving.

Also since technology does not replicate, think about how much more intelligence one would have to create something that could. To suggest that you could take intelligence away from the design of living organisms is unthinkable. Our best minds have not yet been able to create some thing that can replicate it self.

(Edited by SilverStar 1/6/2007 at 11:11 PM).


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However you could see the Earth as a unmoving object, and all move around Earth. My reasoning is that nothing moves in reality. every thing els moves relatively to the thing, but the thing does not move. If you took the space shuttle and put in an abyss. it would not move because there would be nothing to move towards, nor any thing to move away from, than the space shuttle would not be moving.


This is scientifically false. Movement is measured by distance, not relative distance to other objects. Whether or not the space shuttle would be "moving" relies on two different scenarios:

1.) If the space shuttle had speed as it was placed in the "abyss," it would maintain that speed for all eternity. Even if its engine decomposed, the shuttle would continue along at the exact speed at which it last stopped accelerating. This is because the shuttle is made mass, and it has inertia. Objects in motion can only be pulled out of motion due to some external force.

2.) If the space shuttle had no velocity whatsoever as it was placed in the "abyss," it would not be moving at all.

Also since technology does not replicate, think about how much more intelligence one would have to create something that could. To suggest that you could take intelligence away from the design of living organisms is unthinkable. Our best minds have not yet been able to create some thing that can replicate it self.


Really?

Here's some info on self-replicating machines...

http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~sipper/selfrep/
http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/
http://www.smalltimes.com/Articles/A...D=269477&p=109
http://ai2dot0.blogspot.com/2006/11/...-machines.html
http://www.researchchannel.org/prog/...D=4349&fID=569
http://home.earthlink.net/~mmoses152/
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Scienc...sp?NewsNum=386
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/boom/2004s...nes/index.html
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20050320/2358220.shtml

(Edited by EntwickelnCollin 1/7/2007 at 11:24 AM).


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Please share with me how you would determine the velocity of a rock if that rock were the only thing in the universe.


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Please share with me how you would determine the velocity of a rock if that rock were the only thing in the universe.


Use the constant of the speed of light. Not a particularly advanced problem.

Determining the rotational velocity of the rock would be more difficult, but all that would be required is to move away from the rock's center of gravity, and you would observe it spinning or not.


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If the only thing that exists is the rock than you have no light. Also if you move away from the rocks center of gravity how do you know that you are not moving ? how do you know you are not moving with the rock, so as to make the rock appear still?


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If the only thing that exists is the rock than you have no light.


Well, okay. And if the rock is the only thing in this "abyss," then you and I are not there to measure it.

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lso if you move away from the rocks center of gravity how do you know that you are not moving ? how do you know you are not moving with the rock, so as to make the rock appear still?


If you were moving with the rock as you tried to distance yourself from its center of gravity, you would observe no additional distance between yourself and the rock. Likewise, if I tried to jump off Earth, I would know if I am jumping effectively based on whether or not I am actually leaving the Earth's surface. Astronauts know they're leaving the Earth's surface because they watch it happen. Same idea applies to the rock.

I still don't know where you're going with this. What does relative movement even relate to?


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Maybe you're just doing his homework for him...


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No, my brain starts to hurt after working on it for hours.


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