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What is the point of existence if we didn't come from some where, and aren't going any where?


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What is the point of existence if we didn't come from some where, and aren't going any where?


Fantastic question. Philosophers have devoted centuries to it.

I have another question:

Who says there needs to be a point?


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There doesn't, but if there is no point to life than there is no point to laws, morals, or education.


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There doesn't, but if there is no point to life than there is no point to laws, morals, or education.


Atheists of various non-supernatural religions disagree wholeheartedly.


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Disagree with what? Why should I worry about laws?


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Disagree with what? Why should I worry about laws?


Laws are first and foremost established for the benefit of you. They are like a treaty between individuals. "If you don't barge into my home, kill my family, and take my belongings, I won't do the same to you." Laws in themselves are naturally advantageous to a societal species.

The philosophies of Secular Humanism and Existentialism do a better job with laws based more on morality than logical reasoning. When the existentialist Albert Camus was asked whether or not God exists, he replied, "Get out my way. I have starving children to help."


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Why should I care if they benefit me. if there is no point to my existence than there is no point in benefiting me, I just die and thats the end.


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Why should I care if they benefit me. if there is no point to my existence than there is no point in benefiting me, I just die and thats the end.


Logically, yes, but are you capable of overriding 2.5 billion years of instincts that have been programmed into your DNA? I know of no animals aside from human beings that are capable of that, and even in human beings, instances of suicide due to atheistic thought are... well, quite rare.


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Why should people make wills, since when they die they no longer exist than that would mean that nothing that happens after their life concerns them. It is only the business of units that still exist.


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Why should people make wills, since when they die they no longer exist than that would mean that nothing that happens after their life concerns them. It is only the business of units that still exist.


Most humans form emotional attachments to people. Our DNA instincts override pure logic.


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How do you know it is in the DNA? I didn't know that they have discovered the making a will gene.


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How do you know it is in the DNA? I didn't know that they have discovered the making a will gene.


It isn't, of course. But our emotional attachments to people drive us to give our belongings to people we actually care about. You wouldn't give your belongings to, say, me, because we're not related and we don't know each other.


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You have given more evidence to support my hypothesis, that in micro evolution we came from herd societies, that relied closely on each other for emotional support. It still does not explain the impulse to flea society by some.


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You have given more evidence to support my hypothesis, that in micro evolution we came from herd societies, that relied closely on each other for emotional support. It still does not explain the impulse to flea society by some.


Human beings came from other apes which also have societies, though obviously, they were not as complex as ours are today.

As for suicide, this behavior is due to a breakdown of our emotions. I'm treading into darker waters when I say this, because I haven't taken any psychology classes yet, but most human beings are able to understand death. We are the only species that knows we will die. Logic can break through in some instances; people reason that their lives have too much sorrow or suffering, and they decide that they would rather not feel anything and die than feel their current emotions, which are apparently bad.


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Still doesn't explain the hermit mentality.


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What is the point of existence if we didn't come from some where, and aren't going any where?

We create our own point!  Who needs one forcibly imposed on us?!
 


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Actually, many (ok, some) other species understand that they will die (although they probably dwell on it less than the rest of us ).  We know this because some animals act in certain ways normally when death is imminent.  So perhaps (and this may have been your point) they don't understand as pups/cubs/whatever that they will die someday, they do often know when death is upon them.

And I didn't know fleas had societies.


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Yea, they're blood sucking politicians.


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there is no point life just started. as im sure one day it will end completly. in an old fridge the bottom shelf rotts some tomatoes. on them is blue fluffy mold. is there any point to it? nope but its there. the best humans can do is make there life as pleasant and easy as possible. and for the future of other humans. i belive one day we will come in contact with well aliens. i cant spell exterteresterals so yeah...maybe theyl have an answer


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He's right: Life isn't forever, may as well make the best of it. Who needs a purpose given to them?

As for animals not knowing they're going to die, most animals don't die of old age, so obviously they don't need to.


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Quote from SilverStar at 10:03 AM on January 10, 2007 :
What is the point of existence if we didn't come from some where, and aren't going any where?


What are you talking about?  The point is to find out exactly where you came from so that you can figure out exactly where you want to go.
 


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I'm surprised some people are so dependent on having a point given to them.


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I think we have lots of points. The just go in all directions.
Of course, as Harry Nillson states in "The Point", a point in every direction is really no point at all.
He had a point there.
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Where's that sharpener?

(Edited by 42h6Fh62h 5/21/2007 at 11:33 AM).
 


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