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As a U.S. Soldier (3 years enlisted in the Army)

I can say that I'm proud of my fellow soldiers in all that they do.

Please put your political views aside here, they really don't matter.

Remember if you see a soldier on the street to thank him/her for defending our FREEDOM.

Whether we should be in IRAQ,  matters not to our soldiers, they have a job to do and they were given orders to do it.

No questions asked!  They deserve everyone's respect and Thanks!

Here is a link to a great site:
Military Tribute

Please leave your thanks to our soldiers or any other cool sites you may have.


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Posts: 27 | Posted: 10:00 PM on February 15, 2005 | IP
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Well apart from being british, and not being able to see how killing the defenseless Iraqi people, to over throw a dictator (regime change is an ilegal reason to go to war, by the laws stated by the UN) is defending your (the american people) fredoms.

But as a soldier even if you were just doing your job, didn't you feel wrong being in a country that you shouldn't be in, killing people that didn't deserve to die.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 3:41 PM on February 16, 2005 | IP
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When you serve your country and they give you an order, you do it!  Now whether or not I felt bad about being over there, my government does not care!  

This is an issue for politics to decide.  What's done is done, surley your not saying we persecute or soldiers for doing exactly what they were ordered to do?  

Maybe we persecute our leader, or our government's decision's.  But please let's show respect for our soldiers.  

Remember most of these guys are under 25 yrs. old.  Also do you really want a soldier who's going to question every order you give him?  

That would ultimatly reduce America's power down to zero, because no one wants to go to war!  

Sometimes in life you do things you don't want and it's for the common good!  If you think Saddam is great then why don't you move there and fight for him?  

Also screw your U.N. it's just a thing America organized so that the rest of you little nations could feel important!  

Also if we are abiding by the U.N.'s rules then we are valid in invading because Irag violated a whole list of sanctions that were made by the U.N. not just America!  

Remember this: "You hate us, cause you ain't us"

Now let's get back to honoring our soldiers and the ones who have died.

Not just the ones in IRAQ but the ones that are in Kandahar still.


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Posts: 27 | Posted: 4:10 PM on February 16, 2005 | IP
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NO I DON'T HATE YOU BECAUSE I WANT TO BE YOU!!! I wouldn't want to be a member of a self centred aragant country like america.

I nether said Saddam was a great person, I was saying that regime change is an ilegal reason to go to war.

I wasn't saying persicute the soldeirs, I was asking how you felt about being there.

To make the rest of us little nations feel inportant. Could you be anymore arragant? Well I supose its the patriotic crap that they pump americans with, especialy when you join the armed forces. The sad thing is that your so blinded that you can't see your own short comings.

But I agree that we should respect the soldiers of all the nations, not just america, and all the civilian casulties that you don't seem to care about.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 6:18 PM on February 16, 2005 | IP
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Thanks,  for that last comment.  

Now if you'd like to debate Foreign Policy, please by all means start a new topic.  Iran is our next agenda and whether or not we both disagree matters not.  You see we (as citizens) have no control over this!  And yeah I felt bad about going there, I would have rather gone to Afganistan instead or on a help mission like the tsunami disaster relief.  But that's not where I was shipped.  

It is the truth about the U.N.  it is a puppet organization for America's agenda, I don't agree with it, but it's true!  The U.N. is great when it comes to National Aid for needy countries.  But as a world authority on inforcing it's own sanctions it's a joke!  The only thing them people over there respect is FORCE, not sanctions.  If the U.N. would have defended their own sanctions with U.N. FORCE, then we wouldn't be the bad guys right now.  But when you pass sanctions,  and one does not follow them, and their are no consequences.  You are bound to lose all respect!!!  This is why America jumped in and took care of business.  

Remember this:  We (America) don't need the U.N.  you do!  For protection

*Saddam was a bad man!
*He openly sponsored terrorism and had a payout of $25,000 to the family of anyone that would attack Israel!
*So this makes it our business!  
*He tortured his own people!
*He threatened Israel with WMD's
*Yes we haven't found them, but I would not be surprised if they are in IRAN!
*And if he was bluffing about WMD's, well we called his bluff and now he's in jail!
*It's no secret that OIL has alot to do with this whole thing,  I know this and most of America does too.  
*I did not vote for "Curious George"  either time.
*Envy of America's freedom and values is one of the main reasons America comes under such harsh criticism's, also the rest of the world thinks we should help them out.  Like we owe you our  welfare?

Answer this:  Most Americans think that the U.N. is corrupt and over run with secret payouts (Kofi Annan)  for instance --(food for oil)  for instance.  Do you agree?  If not,  why?  And what could the U.N. do to regain it's respect from America.  It's not just me who thinks this, most Americans do.

Please put this in a new topic!   Thanks


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Posts: 27 | Posted: 7:14 PM on February 16, 2005 | IP
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I don't realy want to get into a foriegn affairs debate to be honest.
Good to see you didn't vote for Bush, a pitty a few more people didn't.
Attacking Israel doesn't make it your direct business, unless you want to fuel the fire of of hate against America due to jewish control conspiracy theorys (which I don't belive).
The war was all about Oil, there are countrys with far worse human rights records, so why iraq. And it was actualy a very good decision (for america) because it ensures that america has first pick for oil, and with suplys being burned and destroying the world.
Food for oil, that makes sense, we need oil, they need food, we can't power cars and power plants with surplus food and they can't eat oil.
Personaly I don't envy your "freedoms", and some people probably do, but attacking muslim countrys also pisses off the muslim country which also make them hate you, forceing your way of life on people that don't want it also makes them hate you.
Are you refering to britain when you say "you" because find me the figures of american aid shipments to britain... Your the one who said that you should give to people in need, well especialy when china awakes, you might be the ones needing some aid shipments, things do and will change. Oh and don't forget that your ancestors are european ;).

What could the UN do to gain american respect, well it could lick your ass, but that isn't going to happen. You see alot of the internation community thinks that america is corrupt, and are you surgesting that america should be allowed to bully other countrys into doing what it wants? Surely isn't it better that and international comunity with members of every country is better suited to set international laws.

You want other countrys to disarm there WMD's, but you have your own, we have ours.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 2:20 PM on February 17, 2005 | IP
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O.K. Fine,  you win  (ha!ha!ha!)

Us Americans are all a bunch of cowboys!

It's the American Way I suppose.  I know you all sit over there and think:

"all you Americans are still some little youngens"  

Because we as a nation are pretty young compared to Europe

But look at all that we've accomplished in our short little 229yrs.

You can't possibly suggest that the Arabs don't want Freedom too?  why not?

Oil, Oil, OIl,  or should I say money, money, money  (It corrupts absolutly)

I know I can't seem to get away from it here either!

Oil for Food is/was a great plan till backdoor agreements were made between France, Germany, Iraq, and (Kofi Annan)-- he's worse than BUSH! (this is were the U.N. lost a lot of integrity)

Besides if your British aren't you supposed to be our number one friend?  

France, well all I have to say about them is they would be speaking German if it weren't for America!

Germany, well they may still be sore about their recent defeat in WWII by America!

I have no problems with any of the European Nations really including Ireland, Scotland and all the United Kingdom!

I do have a personal problem with terrorist and any country that may threaten the U.S. with terror!  Including Bin Laden, Sudan, Libya, Palistine, Syria, Iraq, Iran and various others.  Also this has nothing to do with (Christian vs. Muslim)  Or Arab discrimination!  That's the card that the poor Muslim's try to play, the "poor me" card.  They've been over there a long time and well frankly it's about time they adopted this wild new concept called Freedom and Democracy don't you think?  You know what it's like to be free don't you?  

I guess all I can say is this:  America could be looked at as a bunch of business savy, capitalist salesmen.  It's all about the money!  And when we need oil and those people can't even run a sort of legit system, it's just bad for business.  

The people of Iraq will thank us soon enough for liberating them from tyranny!

You don't really have to force Freedom, most people want to be free in their heart.  We just opened the door for them to take their future and do something with it, instead of this Communist type system where 1 guy rules all!

Good Day ole Chap!


Here buy yourself a beer on me!


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Posts: 27 | Posted: 3:38 PM on February 17, 2005 | IP
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Well yeah good post, apart from the end where you made a couple of huge mistakes, one the euro thing, as a brit we still have punds, trivial I know.
An other thing that you got incorrect, is when you said this communist type of thing, with one guy ruleing all. Thats not communism its facism, which is the opposite of communism. And yes it is confusing when you look at russias past and china today, who have dictators and communism, but that defies the fundamental point of communism/maxism. Actual fundamental maxism is the most moral way to live. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs, basicaly in true maxism/communism the people would rule entirly equal, and there actualy wouldn't be a leader. But that is why I refer to fundamental communism as maxism, and "typical" communism (that of russia and china) as communism, maxism is evil, it just disproves of self improvement. So when politions say "The evil of communism" its not communism thats evil its Russian communism thats "evil" but it did progress the country greatly. Anyway not to get too off topic...
Most of the countrys you listed aren't a threat to america, i.e. Sudan, my father works out there (north sudan not darfor) and the UN are going in as a peace keeping force later this year.
Yes I enjoy my freedom, but people don't, its not that they don't want freedom, but it goes against there religion more than it goes against christianity, and many muslims are happy for freedom in europe and america, but many muslims want to keep a muslim "un-free" society.
My personal opinion is that everyone should be free, but its a sign when you have to force a country to be free that they don't want it, if a country wants somthing then they will do it without being forced to do it.
I also think most countrys have gotten over WWII.
Palistine isn't a threat to america, its a threat to isreal, and they just want some of the land back that was taken from them after the second world war. They are fighting for freedom, not against it.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 6:01 PM on February 17, 2005 | IP
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Your right about Palistine wanting land back, oh yeah I forgot all about those pounds.  What I really meant about us liberating them is this, we need responsible adults as oil partners in Iraq and liberating is kind of the guise that Bush used to get in their.  The reason so many muslims are against freedom is because,  Obviously they run things like the Chicago mob did back in the day, and I can imagine if you take that dictatorial power away some will for sure lose their power to those who get elected fairly.  Yeah I would expect opposition to this.  

I still believe it is all for the good in the end.  

Besides what do either of us have to worry about?  

What pub we'll go to next,  or what color car I'll buy next?

Peace be with you!


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Posts: 27 | Posted: 7:27 PM on February 17, 2005 | IP
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Anyway, lets stop this foriegn affairs debate...

And lets tribute the lives all soldiers that have died in any war, on which ever side they fought. For Bravery and there country.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 7:12 PM on February 18, 2005 | IP
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Amen!

God Bless Our Soldiers!


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Posts: 27 | Posted: 3:10 PM on March 22, 2005 | IP
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Its a great thing what our soldiers do, every day putting their lives on the line every day.  They all are true heros in my eyes.  No Words will never be enough to thank them for what they do.


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Posts: 97 | Posted: 9:05 PM on May 6, 2005 | IP
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Definatly
God Bless our Soldiers and the ones who have died. For Something of a greater cause that has no doubt saved many people.
Thank you very much for serving our country

god bless


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Posts: 23 | Posted: 3:18 PM on June 16, 2005 | IP
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Thanks our US soldiers for what? For causing the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqi citizens.  For torturing people at Guatanamo Bay. And no, just because someone gives you an order to do something, doesn't mean you should do it. That's why so many Jews were killed in Nazi Germany. The soldiers and other people under Hitler killed Jews and others because they were ordered to by Hitler and his disciples.

That's why I consider militaries (especially the US Military) to be the most dangerous cult in the world (tied with the Catholic Church). They take orders like robots, they are heavily brainwashed by desenstizing them to violence, and they cause harm to innocent civilians in general.

Here an image of a child who wants to thank the US soldiers for liberating him:


And also, here are links to other Iraqi people who want to thank the US soldiers:
www.iraqvictims.com - Thanks for liberating us US soldiers
Type Iraq at search box


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 6:48 PM on June 27, 2005 | IP
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THERE ARE MORE WARS IN THE WORLD THAN IRAQ!

This is a tribute to all world soldiers. All the ones that have meant you are alive, the soldiers in WW2 etc.

Grow up, the military is NOT a cult. If you demilitarised your country would be wiped out in a month or two, and you would be in a grave or working in a slave mine. Grow up and apreciate what people have done and died for your freedom. I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but that is with the leadership, you have to keep respect for the soldiers. Have you read any acounts by german soldiers in WW2, if you had been in that situation you would have done the same thing, everybody would have done. And you can say you wouldn't but you have nether been in that situation.


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Atlantis,  I honor and respect you as a Soldier, a Man, and an American. Just as I am sure all those free people in Iraq do. You should never get discouraged about the ignorance of others, or any of this new age psycho babble garbage. You are what most of us could only hope to grow up to be.
I have lived my life with some hope that men like you would come and free us.
everyday is a good day to urinate on and burn the canadian flag, July 1rst just seems to make it more special, a communist country, that is being runned by liberal scum, like paul martin, who are self proclaimed theives, and political whores.
alberta has ralph klein (PC) who's only agenda is to wipe out middle class people, klein wants a 2 class society, rich or poor.
canada doesn't allow the poor to get ahead in life, because they need someone to step on in order to inflate their own egos. canada is a country that will not only kick you when your down, they will make sure you stay down.
In my younger days I was lost, and out of control, I did things in order to survive, and I payed the price. I spent time in a federal prison, and I refused any parole, I did my full sentence. Some of us take longer than others to grow up, and it just took me a bit longer than others.
Now I am a Business Owner with 3 stores opened, I own a home, and I am married ... I did it all on my own with no help from this country, and I worked extremely hard, with enough stress to kill a horse, but one thing is for certain, I would walk away from all of it in heartbeat to become an American Citizen.
The only problem is that whenever I try to escape this country, a new obstacle comes up so that I am unable to leave. Now because of that idiot paul martin pissing off President George Bush, we need a passport to get across the border, a passport that I am unable to get for another 4 years. I am being held hostage in this communist country. If the United States ever came to take over canada I would be one of the first to commit treason against this country.
People ask me if I am a canadian, and I say no, I am a North American, because I am proud to be associated with the United States of America.
you may ask what am I doing for myself to get out of this country, wel I have sent several requests to enlist in the U.S. Army and the U.S. Navy, and although I keep getting denied for the only reason that I am not an American, I will keep trying to enlist, as I have recently heard that there may be draft as nobody is enlisting.
I do not fear death, and I would fight for the United States of America. It would be an honor to serve with men like Atlantis.
I plead with all Americans, encourage your government to come and free us, just like they did in iraq, bin laden is alive and working in canada under his alias name of paul martin.


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