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Poll Question: Should the US legalize marijuana.   (44 votes)
  Yes    63.6% (28 votes)
  No    13.6% (6 votes)
  For medicinal purposes only    22.7% (10 votes)
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Ever hear of anyone overdosing on Marijuana?  Alcohol kills more people per year than anyone smoking Marijuana by a huge margin.  Yet alcohol is abused liked crazy.

Make marijuana legal and make alcohol illegal.  Simple
 


Posts: 42 | Posted: 5:30 PM on October 5, 2006 | IP
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Alcohol is just as bad or worse. I don't drink often but I enjoy that I can, legally. Therefore, I would find myself a hypocrite for wanting marijuana to remain illegal. I've done it, it can be used socially and not often or abused just as alcohol. Simply cannot justify any reasoning I would personally have as to why it should not be legal.

 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 6:19 PM on October 27, 2006 | IP
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I think marijuana should be treated the same way tobacco and alcohol are now treated. Like alchohol it should be decriminalized and sold only under controlled situations and users should be penalized heavily if caught using it when operating motor vehicles etc.  And since marijuana, like most tobacco products, produces second-hand smoke, it should be outlawed in all public areas both indoors and outdoors.
 


Posts: 162 | Posted: 12:19 PM on October 29, 2006 | IP
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Or we could outlaw alcohol...


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Marijuana is does not cause nearly as much destructive behavior as alchohol.  I remember drinking once and feeling extremely angry like I wanted to beat someone's face in.  One of my freind's smokes weed and he is one of the nicest and least violent people I know, inspite of the fact that he could easily beat someone up if he wanted to (he can bench 225).  Also, how can you justify not allowing someone to use it to relieve pain when they are sick and dying?

(Edited by Videogamer1416 12/5/2006 at 8:03 PM).
 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 8:02 PM on December 5, 2006 | IP
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It can kill brain cells however.  Next think you know you'll be using sentences with phrases like "is does" in them.


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Quote from EMyers at 07:56 AM on December 6, 2006 :
It can kill brain cells however.  Next think you know you'll be using sentences with phrases like "is does" in them.



Whether or not it does is disputed.  Scientific studies using monkeys failed to find evidence of brain damage caused by pot.  I can also name a number of things which kill brain cells but are legal in the US, such as bullets.  It problably does in high amounts, since I've seen people who have done it a lot and seem quite stupid, but for those who only do it once or on rare occassions, there have been minimal long term effects.  And why would you care how many brain cells you were losing if you knew you would be dead in a week and wanted something to relieve the pain?  However, I will concede that if that is not the case, it's problably not the best idea, because degeneration of the nerve connections between brain
cells in the hippocampus can occur do to it, and that can significantly compromise your intelligence.  However, I also think it should be someone's choice what they do with their own body, and choosing to smoke pot is certainly not as bad as some other ideas.

(Edited by Videogamer1416 12/7/2006 at 8:50 PM).
 


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I would agree, except that the damage they are doing quite often lead them to make stupid choices which do affect other people.  I've quite often seen "high" people do pretty stupid things.  And personally, I wouldn't have any problem if they got rid of alcohol too, but all the drunks would be up in arms.  :P


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Quote from EMyers at 02:54 AM on December 8, 2006 :
I would agree, except that the damage they are doing quite often lead them to make stupid choices which do affect other people.  I've quite often seen "high" people do pretty stupid things.  And personally, I wouldn't have any problem if they got rid of alcohol too, but all the drunks would be up in arms.  :P


its also a fact that living will kill brain cells, did you know that?

brain cells die, thats why you get senile when you're older.  but i agree, that by itself isn't any reason to go smoke pot all day.

you might have seen a few high people do some stupid stuff, but i've seen so very many completely sober people do retardedly stupid things.  especially on television.

i honestly want to know the answer to this question:  why do people like yourself feel the need to force/persuade people to act or live a certain way?  it doesn't affect you, and if it does, then that is the fault of the person affecting you, not the substance itself.
 


Posts: 152 | Posted: 4:08 PM on January 23, 2007 | IP
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So if a guy kills someone because he is high on crack (and let's assume that this is not something he'd do while he wasn't high) then we still don't have the right to make crack illegal?


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Quote from EMyers at 02:29 AM on January 24, 2007 :
So if a guy kills someone because he is high on crack (and let's assume that this is not something he'd do while he wasn't high) then we still don't have the right to make crack illegal?


Right.  Because you can't assume anything.  You can punish (severly) those people who abuse it (abusing it by taking it everyday, causing it to warp your lifestyle and then doing something normally illegal).  But simply making the substance illegal is going to do more harm than good.

I think it would be acceptable, though, to create certain communities that prohibit public use or public inebriation in that specific area.  But generally, the people smoking marijuana are less harmless to kids and other people than even the people who smoke cigarettes.  I've been in communities where everyone was smoking pot and the kids were running around having a good ol' time (they weren't high and the parents who lived there definately didn't advocate smoking until adolescence).  It seems to me that these parents are more open-minded with their children.  Their kids grow up to be beautiful and spiritual people who are generally more aware of their environment than the average kid.
 


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While EMyers is intent on warning us of all the dangers of smoking pot, he has yet to present one concrete piece of evidence that would support such hysteria.  You tell of these stoned people doing "stupid things."  But what are these things they're doing that you judge to be so stupid?  Surely, if they were illegal, violent or truly horrendous actions, you would want to describe them to give weight to your warning.  Can you come up with one story of any real harm being done as a direct result of someone's being high on weed?  What about the lives ruined?  Can you tell us exactly how it was that marijuana that has ruined even a single life?  Tell me EXPLICITLY how it was MARIJUANA, AND MARIJUANA ALONE, that ruined someone's life.  You can't because no doubt, there were factors involved other than the pot use of the person whose life was supposedly ruined.  Isn't it possible that there was some other thing ruining their life, for which pot was a relief, the only thing keeping them alive.
On the side of medical marijuana are real people with real stories of absolute suffering, to which the anti-legalizers are deaf.  If you want pot to remain illegal, fine, but just understand that you are saying to all those Cancer patients, Aids patients, our veterans suffering from PTSD, and countless other sufferers of nervous and muscle disorders, that they should not seek relief with the one drug that can instantly help them, without any major side effects.  You're telling them to keep suffering, die, or seek ineffective and potentially dangerous "legal" drugs.  
 Also, you are saying that if they do seek it, they should be put in jail for doing so!  If only you could have your way, all of those dying and suffering patients would be serving jail time.  And at the very least, they should be made pariahs, made to feel ashamed, forced to seek medicine on the black market, and clearly labelled as criminals.
And hey, this thread is about legalizing cannabis, not about crack, so quit jumping from one to the other as though they are the same drug, which they are not.  Let's focus on one thing: WEED.  Argue against weed if you must, but don't rest your argument against weed on the supposed wrongness of smoking crack.  Different drug, man.
Gateway Shmateway!  I got your Gateway Activity right here!  It's called living.  Being born is a gateway activity to dying.  The "Gateway Drug" argument is a great argument to make [i]against alcohol or tobacco[i]because if you ask people who do any drugs whatsoever, what the first drug they tried was, they will almost all say either alcohol or tobacco.  (They probably won't mention the prescription painkillers they stole from their parents, or the Magic Markers they used to huff in art class).
The bottom line is a person is in control of his own actions, as well as responsible for them,  no matter how much you try to blame the chemicals.  We consciously choose to put these substances in ourselves, in full knowing of what we are doing.  To "get high" actually serves a real purpose, fills a deep and ancient need in humanity.  I can't explain this to you; either you know what I'm referring to, or you don't.


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Is it the job of the Government to force some one not to destroy their body, or their life?


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All of this debating over the legality of marijuana is pointless. I smoke weed, I eat it, and I let it grow in the garden. There is nothing artificial about the plant that conditions it's existence to agreement with human law.


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Quote from forfunt1 at 6:02 PM on December 11, 2007 :
All of this debating over the legality of marijuana is pointless. I smoke weed, I eat it, and I let it grow in the garden. There is nothing artificial about the plant that conditions it's existence to agreement with human law.



You smoke weed?  Because I used to play chess, and I was a half decent player.  One of my most common opponents wasn't a half bad player himself, but he never beat me.  One day he smoked marijuana before he played, he thought it would make him smarter.  In that particular game, I beat him in four moves.  That was the worst performance of his life, I'm sure.



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Posts: 68 | Posted: 01:14 AM on April 13, 2008 | IP
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We can't make marijuana legal!  Because then, people will want more, and soon they'll want cocaine and heroin to be legal.   You can't satisfy these people.  They'll always want more.


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 01:19 AM on April 13, 2008 | IP
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While EMyers is intent on warning us of all the dangers of smoking pot, he has yet to present one concrete piece of evidence that would support such hysteria.  You tell of these stoned people doing "stupid things."  But what are these things they're doing that you judge to be so stupid?  Surely, if they were illegal, violent or truly horrendous actions, you would want to describe them to give weight to your warning.  Can you come up with one story of any real harm being done as a direct result of someone's being high on weed?  What about the lives ruined?  Can you tell us exactly how it was that marijuana that has ruined even a single life?  Tell me EXPLICITLY how it was MARIJUANA, AND MARIJUANA ALONE, that ruined someone's life.  You can't because no doubt, there were factors involved other than the pot use of the person whose life was supposedly ruined.

I have a personal story, and it biases me hugely against legalisation... a friend of mine was a nice, friendly guy, a little strange perhaps but nothing more awkward than social ineptitude. He went to Amsterdam as part of a society trip, and smoked pot there. Now he's a regular smoker, and horribly paranoid, even when not high. All the little factors of his personality that seemed slightly out of place are magnified a hundredfold. Because he regularly smoked, he didn't go to lectures, subsequently dropped out of university and is currently jobless, as he has been for over a year. Pot has, unquestionably, ruined his life.

A lot of people are commenting here that legalising pot would actually decrease it's popularity. A lot of the same people are arguing that many more people are harmed through alcohol abuse, or cigarettes, than through marijuana abuse.
Given that this is a blatantly obvious fact to everyone, why would you say that people choose to go and get drunk rather than to go and get high? Compare your answer to the first statement you have made, bearing in mind how you could persuade people to stop drinking.
Furthermore, by claiming that decreasing the popularity of marijuana is a good thing, you are admitting that marijuana is a harmful substance. This doesn't sit too well with many other statements...

Personally, I like the UK's classification of marijuana. Currently it is a 'class C drug' - still technically illegal, but mainly declassified. If you are caught with 'personal use' amounts, you will get nothing more than it's confiscation and a slap on the wrist. This reflects it's potency in comparison to both harder and legal drugs, but keeps a harmful drug from the commercialism and abusive culture that has plagued alcohol. I would support carefully controlled legalisation for medical purposes, however... but only after much more careful testing. After all, heroin used to be administered to morphine addicts as a medicine, and while it worked, the side effects were far from good.

As to the other two... I would support the banning of cigarettes, but oppose the banning of alcohol. It is only when alcohol is abused that it becomes harmful, I would merely try to cut down on the commercialised aspect of abuse (booo, binge drinking culture).

(Edited by iangb 4/13/2008 at 1:00 PM).


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I like that view.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 2:07 PM on April 21, 2008 | IP
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Dear Friends,

I just spent the better part of 4 hours writing and posting a serious proposal to the Obama Transition Team on how to decriminalize, regulate, and tax marijuana and how to help implement an industrial scale hemp industry in America.  This is a very important issue, and once you have read my article and proposal, I hope you’ll agree and give my idea some support.  If not, I can respect that and fully understand.

If you want to help make this idea a reality, please do the following:

1) Forward this e-mail to everyone that you personally know who supports the decriminalization, regulation and/or taxation of marijuana.
2) Visit Change.gov (Barack Obama’s Transition Team website).  The exact address is http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/
3) Sign up for an account by clicking on “Sign In”.  Once you have an account set up, go back to http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/
4) Do a search for “ATFM” (minus the quotes).  My article is the one titled "Introducing the ATFM"
5) Read my proposal.  If you like it, vote it “UP” by clicking on the arrow to the left of the article.  If not, then vote it "DOWN".

Thank you for your time and consideration!

Sincerely,

Louis S. Carrozzi
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PS: I hope that my post is not labeled as "blatent self promotion".  I'm trying to reach out to fellow citizens in any way I can to get involved in the political process, and help our nation.  Forums seemed a good way to do that.  Thank you.   Please note that voters should be American citizens and live in the U.S.A.

Any additional ideas or thoughts are welcome!
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 02:26 AM on January 16, 2009 | IP
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LOOK everyone. I've been researching this subject for quite some time...and I feel like I need to say something.

First of all, there are way bigger factors in our world today that are 100% legal and way more harmful than marijuana. People freak out about little kids playing violent video games, kids looking at porn on the internet, and teens smoking pot...and they don't realize that its something that almost every kid has done (majority is guys, obviously) and it is something kids will keep doing. It will NOT turn your kid into some heat-seeking pervert with a roach hanging out of their mouth 24/7.

Second of all, the right to smoke pot in the comfort of one's own home is a right that I believe is inevitable. Yes, there may be some indirect deaths from marijuana, but hey, do any of you realize how many people die from car crashes every year? or from aspirin? There's some dangerous shit in the world, and people need to learn how to fend for themselves, without being breast-fed from the government like everyone is some naive idiot.

Third. I don't care how many people you know who's lives have been RUINED by weed...but I promise...it's not weed's fault. Does anyone here truly believe that a hard-working, hopefull, loving, and determined individual can start smoking herb, and suddenly become a no-good couch potato? its Absurd! I mean honestly, these people were artists to begin with, and weed is just the paintbrush. People need to grow up and stop blaming shit on things like weed and other inanimate objects that have no chemical addictions and realize they are just a screw-up.

Conclusion: Weed does not harm anyone to any extent that should validate it as illegal. Hell, weed is used as a medical TREATMENT for more conditions than it causes.

CALL ME A LIBERAL, but I am actually being more conservative than anyone who is against legalization, because I display more passion for our constitutional rights than you do.

Oh, and FYI..Jefferson and Benjamin franklin HATED tobacco.

Guess which plant they venerated as a cash crop?

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The legalization of marijuana would send the message to the next generation that getting high is okay. Whether you think that is a good thing or bad thing is up to you.

Qlefalreefer

My opinion is, if you want to purchase marijuana you should make a few phone calls and wait three to four hours. Purchasing it at the local government marijuana supplier is way to easy. It seems similar to a dream world to me.

(Edited by slow_talken 7/25/2009 at 01:31 AM).
 


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people who are 100% against the legalization of pot are running out of arguments against it. every argument they have is horribly ill informed, and proven wrong with enormous amounts of evidence. the biggest side effects of marijuana is laziness,and distraction. as for laziness, it lasts 1 or 2 hours at the most. and for easy distraction, i know people with A.D.D (attention deficit disorder) who smoke pot to help them concentrate. you can get a legitmate prescription for marijuana right now in california for A.D.D/A.D.H.D right now. also, why would the government legalize it for medicinal use if it ruins lives and is sooo bad for you, if it were so horrible why would cancer patients use it? if you look at this thread you will notice that all the people against pot legalization keep using the same arguments and keep stating the same thing in every post, which is mostly extremist views, while the rebuttles have a wide variety of information  explaining the TRUTH.

i see NO legitimate argument against lealization of marijuana as of yet.





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Posts: 1 | Posted: 8:56 PM on January 14, 2010 | IP
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POT is ALREADY LEGAL

We have been fighting traffic tickets and possession charges with relative success.
We have been able to do this based on obvious facts backed by the US. constitution and supreme court rulings.

look up corpus delicti, ask cops and judges.  they know about it but chose to ignore it on their own whim.

there is never a fair trial in possession cases, because the state is the prosecutor, but the judge also represents the state.  that's an obvious conflict of interest and the case should move to federal court in order to have any legal validity.

there is much much more info on this  and with an open mind, you too can become a legal superhero who no longer fears victim-less crime charges.

Learn more http://killeenpd.blogspot.com

(Edited by killeenpd 6/12/2010 at 02:41 AM).


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oh yea

I cant even believe this is still a debate.  i guess we should ban anything dangerous, like knives, cars, painkillers and even coffee.

when will we learn that only a voluntary society can produce a truly peaceful world.

kidnapping human beings merely because they possess a leaf or chemical is an egregious crime and all those who perpetrate it do not deserve the privilege of life as the highest form of intelligence on this planet.

better they serve out their miserable existence as flies or cockroaches.


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Posts: 8 | Posted: 01:08 AM on June 12, 2010 | IP
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Quote from Sakata at 11:45 PM on October 17, 2002 :
It wrecks lives, I go to a high school where I have seen great kids just totaly go down the toilet because of drugs, just the thrill of getting high, its sad, why would anyone want it legal?  There is nothing good about it.  



And it is their lives to wreck if they choose.  How would you feel if the Government started outlawing soda, chips, candy, etc because it is bad for you.  Outlawing something because it is unhealthy is not what a free country should have.  Think of it this way.  If our founding fathers knew that the Government was telling us how to live our lives, how do you think they would react?

And the dangers of pot only effect heavy users for longer than 1 hour.  http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6045056/pros_and_cons_to_legalization_of_marijuana.html?cat=5
 


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Definitely YES. It's a waste of tax payers money, it's putting innocent people in jail and prohibition just flat out doesn't work. If anyone else feels the same way make sure you jump on board by signing the Legalize Cannabis Petition .


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I am a seventeen year old male, I have suffered from chronic depression for four years.  Last year my doctor prescribed me antidepressants and I was heavily reliant on them.
I grew up living my young life thinking that Pot and Marijuana was a horrible drug that ruined lives. I looked down upon my peers that sought out drugs. From what my teachers told me, Pot was a drug that was addictive, and a Gateway drug, and that alcohol wasn't a drug and that it was used as a "Party" thing. I was a chronic drinker my sophomore year, grabbed some whiskey from the parent's cabinet every weekend and drank with friends. They told me alcohol wasn't as bad as weed, and I believed them to the highest extent.
Then one day one of my friends died from an overdose of PRESCRIBED drugs from his doctor. It didn't make sense to me, safe drugs killing people? It drove my depression into overdrive and one day I opened my brother's closet and found his weed stash.
That night, I smoked for my first time and I realized all my anxiety and depression had been lifted. I was actually happy for the first time in a long time. I began to feel what it felt to be "High".
Four months later, I am a healthy seventeen year old boy. Marijuana helped relieved my reliance on my antidepressants and I eventually stopped taking them. I smoked once a weekend with friends as a thing to do, like adults do with wine and tobacco. My friends noticed I am a much happier person, and my grades are soaring through the roof.
There is one thing that my generation has that most people who lived before us did, we have the internet.
The internet is a powerful tool, as I began to smoke every weekend (or whenever I had an anxiety attack) I began to research and found out that it is NOT as bad I once saw it to be. Everything from wikipedia, to forums, to even books in the library of MY highschool, supported the idea that it wasn't a bad drug as America described it to be.
I kid you not, 90% of my school smokes marijuana, and we are a well known school for academic achievements. We are a "World Class  School" that scores highest in our state. People who I thought would never smoke weed do, and they are one of the smartest people I know. I have several friends, ALL who are in the TOP 5% of my class of 892 students, smoke marijuana 4+ times a week.
The gateway theory has been busted and I can give you my personal views as a seventeen year old male, about to be a senior at my Highschool, that Marijuana is NOT a gateway drug. The only reason why it is called a "Gateway Drug" is because I can buy marijuana from the same dealer that sells cocaine and heroine. I've seen several friends fall for this, ONLY because it is illegal. Prohibition IS the gateway drug.
What has Prohibition ever done? Caused crimes and made gangs richer. We have history so we can LEARN from the past, and what have we learned? That Prohibition never works.
Even IF we uplift the prohibition of ALL drugs, who here will do a line of crack or shoot up heroine? No intellectual being who researches what they take will be shooting up heroine or snorting crack.
The internet is a POWERFUL POWERFUL tool.

I may not be above the influence, but hell, I am above the ignorance.
 


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