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Poll Question: Should the US legalize marijuana.   (44 votes)
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  No    13.6% (6 votes)
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Why or why not?


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 11:32 PM on October 14, 2002 | IP
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Why? It's hard to argue against. Alcohol is more socially destructive. Cigarettes are more addictive. There has never been an ER admittance or a recorded death linked directly to marijauna. It would have a very negative impact on international drug cartels (e.g. Mexico), and might pave way for legalization (or decriminalization) of other drugs that could then lead to destruction of larger drug ops in Colombia, Bolivia, and in South East Asia. Finally, I think the biggest lobby against legalization of pot  is from the religiously (or at least puritanical morals) influenced element in U.S., and just love to piss them off.
Why not? Well, pot may not be physically addictive, but for some it is definitely emotionally addictive. And I do believe from experience it can definitely be a GATEWAY DRUG.
Conclusion: The "why not" reasons are actually arguments for legalization, or at least decriminalization. The few people who might have a problem with pot need treatment, not jail. Legalize it, baby!


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It wrecks lives, I go to a high school where I have seen great kids just totaly go down the toilet because of drugs, just the thrill of getting high, its sad, why would anyone want it legal?  There is nothing good about it.  


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Posts: 293 | Posted: 12:45 AM on October 18, 2002 | IP
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So do we make alcohol and cigarettes illegal?  They're far worse.  I don't and never have smoked pot, but I'm hard-pressed to see the logic in one legal and the other not.  


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You've never smoked?  Hang around app state long enough and you will.  I was down there one time and man was pot everywhere.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 03:21 AM on October 18, 2002 | IP
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No, and I dont intend to.  I go to a pot head school, I have seen it sold and bought in classes all the time.


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Posts: 293 | Posted: 7:41 PM on October 18, 2002 | IP
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Youre right tsmith, I personally live in the marijuana capitol of the world.


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 9:05 PM on October 18, 2002 | IP
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There should be a world wide treaty that ends all wars forever.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 8:20 PM on October 21, 2002 | IP
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If this is legalized thereis one more drug out there that can harm kids and adults why legalize it
 


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actually, there was a world wide treaty in the 1920s...the Kellogg-Briand Pact. it made war illegal. didnt work out too well, did it?


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 01:23 AM on November 18, 2002 | IP
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I personally think marijuana is something good, not bad.

But, I think whether it's good or bad isn't relevant to if it should be legal. It's a persons' body, they should be able to do what they want with it.
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 7:17 PM on November 20, 2002 | IP
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Well then by all means lets legalize crack, coke and heroin, how well would that work.  Sometimes the government does need to protect us from ourselves.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 8:07 PM on November 20, 2002 | IP
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Quote from tsmith2771 at 8:07 PM on November 20, 2002 :
Well then by all means lets legalize crack, coke and heroin, how well would that work. †Sometimes the government does need to protect us from ourselves.


1. There's a difference between marijauna and heroin.
2. As long as they don't become a threat to others, I feel people have the right to choice to do whatever they want.
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 10:13 PM on November 20, 2002 | IP
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The only difference is that one is harder on the body then the other.  But under your logic since it is the persons own body they should be able to do it legally.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 4:55 PM on November 21, 2002 | IP
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I am personally neutral on the subject, but I don't see, tsmith, how we can have legal alcohol and send people to prison for marijuana.  And to say that the only difference between cocaine or heroin or whatever is that one is harder on the body is not true.  While both affect the body marijuana brings about a mild sense of relaxation, and a pleasant numbness (so I'm told), while cocaine/crack makes the user very aggresive and impulsive.  Now you decide which is more of a danger to people outside of the user.  The monstrous difference also lies in "how hard they are on the body", the addiction to marijuana is almost completely psychological, the user simply needs to make the decision stop smoking.  Crack, heroin, etc is not only psychological but physically and chemically addictive.  People have seizures when they try to quit heroin cold turkey.  If there is not a gaping difference there I don't know what you're looking for.  I personally think that alcohol is many times more destructive than marijuana, and I personally think that, regardless and aside of my personal beliefs, marijuana should either be legalized, or alcohol should be illegalized.


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 01:41 AM on November 22, 2002 | IP
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no doubt about it, alcohol and cigarettes are more harmful


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i heard one time, that the reason america doesnt legalize weed is bc it would take away from the money the govt makes off of selling liquor licenses and tax on alcohol sales, the reason a tax on weed would not work is bc people would not buy weed from a store but grow their own since it is so easy to grow, also america signed the NAFTA treaty, which would prevent us from taxing things that come out of mexico.


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I know what drugs do to the body, I know which ones are worse for you then others.  One difference alcohol has over weed is that how many people do you know, as in adults not college kids, drink alcohol such as wine and things like that for the taste and have no intention of getting drunk.  And how many people do you know in total that smoke weed cause they like the taste.  The sole purpose behind smoking weed is to get high.  While many people drink to get drunk, there is still a far number that drink for the taste of a good beer, a nice wine or a good bottle of champagne.  When both are used heavily alcohol is worse on the body but when used in moderation pot is far worse.  


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good point. when i said that alcohol and cigarettes are more harmful, i didnt mean that we should ban them. what i was trying to say is that we should legalize weed


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 1:32 PM on November 22, 2002 | IP
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Drinking alcohol leads to liver poisoning, death, murder, rape, even being overtly loud and obnoxious before passing out in a pool of vomit and urine, not to mention other things. Smoking weed leads to chilling on the couch, eating, and laughing hysterically. Weed should be legalized.


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weed also leads to laziness.  i not saying the people that smoke everyonceinawhile.  but if somebody smoked weed as much as somebody would smoke a cigarette, then there would be a whole bunch of nothing happening.


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Posts: 270 | Posted: 9:26 PM on December 10, 2002 | IP
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LEGALIZE IT.  
 


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In reply to Maynard- True, but generally very few people chain-smoke marajuana, one or two joints every two weeks is the average rate.Marajuana effects usually last for only a few hours so they get back to being "productive" fairly quickly.


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Posts: 13 | Posted: 11:10 PM on December 16, 2003 | IP
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It should be legalized because it is the individual's choice whether they want to have it or not, people are responsible for themselves and their actions, prohibiting drugs, like alcohol only leads to excessive consuption (binging) of it which causes more damage. I think it should be banned from certain public places, but not from people's homes or in the street.
 


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The problem with this arguement is that the government tries very hard to make people think that marajuana is as bad as crack and heroine.

getting good non-messed with marajuana has no chance of killing you, no long or short term medical problems, and is not chemically addictive.

Cigarettes and alcohol kill in the long run.

Nobody gets high on pot and gets violent and hostile, they get relaxed and wat to talk and think, and really CAN'T get violent.

I am not saying that it should be allowed in bars and on the street but if you want to smoke in your home, then there is no reason it should be banned, and I have yet to see a single arguement that could really show that it SHOULD be illegal, in fact it would be less dangerous if the government regulated it.

I do not smoke weed, I mean I HAVE when I was younger, but not anykmore. and I can tell you there is nothing wrong with it. all the pot heads I have known were not bad students because of the pot they were bad students to begin with, and through rebellion they became bad students.

I know many adults who casually smoke pot and live very normal healthy, and prosperous lives
 


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Hello,  If you read all this conversation and are not even a member of this forum,  I ask you why?  

We need more people to join and we encourage you to  register, it only takes a second and then you can reply.

Guests are always welcome!

We want your input to though, so go register it's free!

And (((No))) marijuana will never be legalized, because it's virtually un-regulatable!

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Posts: 27 | Posted: 10:50 PM on February 15, 2005 | IP
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Marijuana should be legal. I will also state that all addictive drugs should be legal as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate taking addictive drugs, why I don't even advocate tobacco and alcohol. The reason I state that all drugs should be legal is because there would be a lot less crimes out there. Making drugs illegal is making the mafias and cartels more powerful and dangerous. Just look at prohibition in the 1920s. People like Al Capone became very powerful and murderous thanks to prohibition. Obviously the US goverment hasn't learned from it's mistakes.  

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mrmazet i think that you are 100% right man  it is your body you should beable to choose what you do to it.  i dont think anyone has the right to tell you what you can and cant do to your own body.  and those people who have never smoked weed but want it legalized more power to you but those who want to ban it and only have heard stories dont know the experiance and until you know then you have no opinion on the matter.
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I have heard a multitude of arguments for the legalization of marijuana and have been adamently against it for quite sometime. I am from a community where there is a large marijuana usage. I have seen it destroy individuals and I have seen how it can prove to be socially destructive. Regardless of what is more destructive, the fact is that it still stands as DESTRUCTIVE. It is a gateway drug, that is not adaquately debateble. However, in recent months, I have been reconsidering my position. Yet, I still stand to my position. The day that I do a 180 will be the moment someone can guarantee to me that it can be monitored and filtered to my liking.


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Quote from JDet2005 at 4:52 PM on September 24, 2005 :
I have heard a multitude of arguments for the legalization of marijuana and have been adamently against it for quite sometime. I am from a community where there is a large marijuana usage. I have seen it destroy individuals and I have seen how it can prove to be socially destructive. Regardless of what is more destructive, the fact is that it still stands as DESTRUCTIVE. It is a gateway drug, that is not adaquately debateble. However, in recent months, I have been reconsidering my position. Yet, I still stand to my position. The day that I do a 180 will be the moment someone can guarantee to me that it can be monitored and filtered to my liking.


i really don't understand people like you.  "monitered and filtered to your liking" ??  who's to say you're the judge of what is 'right and wrong' in society?  people destroy their lives with alcohol abuse, with commiting crimes, with psychological addiction (obsession) to many different things.

people should be able to do whatever they want with their body as long as it does not harm other people.  let them smoke some pot in their own home so long as they don't go giving it to little kids or smoke while they are driving.  did you know that alcohol is a gateway drug?  that cigarettes are a gateway drug?  do you realize how many kids get drunk on a regular basis?

by the way, alcohol and tobacco are much more physically harmful than marijuana.  the only reason you seem to see so many people who's lives are destroyed by pot is because those people you see have an unbalanced chemical makeup in their brains which make them more susceptible to psychological addiction.

the truth behind the matter is that more people's lives are ruined due to prohibition than by the actual drug itself.  prohibition does absolutely no good; people will get drugs no matter what.  in fact, prohibition does more harm than good to society.  we could be using the DEA funding for education to let kids know the facts about drugs, instead of trying to incite fear into them.  our current methods only produce ignorance.

 


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The argument that "alcohol and cigarettes are worse than marijuana therefore we should legalize it" is ludicrous. Why don't we legalize it so we can have a wider range of legal drugs that may harm us and/or others? Sounds intelligent...

How can you say that people using marijuana themselves won't harm others? By legalizing it, you make it an acceptable practice. By making it an acceptable practice, it is likely to be practiced more widely. That is not a good thing, contrary to what many of you seem to believe.

Individuals will ruin their lives by using it - that hurts not only them, but their families and friends. Already, SOMEONE ELSE has been affected. The community has the chance to suffer, as individuals make up a community and when some individuals are not functioning to their fullest potential, that community can suffer. The economy would suffer - e.g. an addiction will often make employment a secondary priority, therefore unemployment could increase. The health system could suffer, as individuals suffering from the various effects of marijuana may need medical attention at a higher rate. So, in summary, an individual's use of marijuana may very well affect more than themselves.

Don't legalize it - where will it end after that?  
 


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greeting in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, my name is Tammy Howard (real name). I'm 38 Years old and happily married for 12 yrs. to a wonderful man. I have three BEAUTIFUL children and three BEAUTIFUL grandchildren. I am also a published author, a law-abiding citizen and an ordained minister. Up until now (out of fear) I haven't shared my views openly in public.

I was diagnosed with Hepatitis C (with significant liver damage) in 2003 and have numerous other physical problems. They include: fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis, MCTD, supraventrical tachycardia, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, sticky blood, bruxism and depression. I also have chronic TMJ with a 7 mm slide, which has caused my jawbone to lodge into my temple. In addition to all that, I have a history of otitis media, migraines, nerve pain and chronic fatigue.

Marijuana helps with the pain of migraine headaches, muscle pain, joint pain, ear pain, jaw pain and the nerve pain. It also helps with chronic depression and nausea.

I got fired from my job, (management position) due to my illness, (a drug store at that) and lost insurance and prescription benefits. I am still waiting on Social Security benefits that have been unjustly and cruelly denied to me twice. Marijuana has been the only thing that has saved me, as well as my confidence in God.

It's truly a shame that there is help available, but not accessible. As we have seen with Hurricane Katrina, the governmentís lack of immediate response and human compassion has been our governmentís watermark and yet it's "WE THE PEOPLE" who the government is supposed to support and protect. It's "WE THE PEOPLE" who "vote" them into office. The Only thing they are protecting by prohibiting our medicine is the system and not "WE THE PEOPLE."

Marijuana should not be a criminal offense for anyone and in fact the scripture tells us. Ezek: 47:12: And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.


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I think in order for more people to accept and help the push of marijuana to become legal. The benefits and comparisons of marijuana to say alcohol/tobacco needs to be made more public. A major obstacle for us(the users)is the general public being misinformed or under false beliefs from out of the 1930s. Because they don't know otherwise, they trust those beliefs from uncle sam completely. I've noticed more medical studies, and states legalizing medi-juana in the last few months than ever before. These should be made more public, not to us few who have to search for the results of such studies. Maybe before next election running a nationwide tv ad enforming people of these studies.  And who better to do that than NORML :D. Be pro/con and not just pro. I mean I personally prefer to be around and also use marijuana rather than alcohol. But marijuana is not good for you. It might slow down or help in aiding against death or worse bodily conditions. But marijuana is not "good" for you, but neither is red meat(supposidly ;-). But for the government to allow me to use alcohol and not the lesser of the 2 evils(marijuana) I like most of us find it very unfair and frustrating. If they want to take away my rights to all extracorricular activities...fine... I have less to bitch about because yes.. it is bad for you(as is everything it seems). But don't force me to go to a bar or sit at home and get drunk and crazy/sick/uncontrollable using alcohol when I know there is a better high with a BONUS of none of those side effects and medical proof it is BETTER on the body and not allow me to use it. BTW whens the last time you've been in/seen a fight cause you or someone were DRUNK and Looked at some girl,looked towards a guy the wrong way, bumped into them. whens the last time you've seen that happen around a bunch of stoners? I dont know about you guys but I would prefer to hang out with potheads to some drunk frat boys anyday. I just wish the govt would realize these things.
 


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Quote from K8 at 02:05 AM on October 5, 2005 :
The argument that "alcohol and cigarettes are worse than marijuana therefore we should legalize it" is ludicrous. Why don't we legalize it so we can have a wider range of legal drugs that may harm us and/or others? Sounds intelligent...

How can you say that people using marijuana themselves won't harm others? By legalizing it, you make it an acceptable practice. By making it an acceptable practice, it is likely to be practiced more widely. That is not a good thing, contrary to what many of you seem to believe.

Individuals will ruin their lives by using it - that hurts not only them, but their families and friends. Already, SOMEONE ELSE has been affected. The community has the chance to suffer, as individuals make up a community and when some individuals are not functioning to their fullest potential, that community can suffer. The economy would suffer - e.g. an addiction will often make employment a secondary priority, therefore unemployment could increase. The health system could suffer, as individuals suffering from the various effects of marijuana may need medical attention at a higher rate. So, in summary, an individual's use of marijuana may very well affect more than themselves.

Don't legalize it - where will it end after that? †

Ok if thatís your argument why not make alcohol and tobacco illegal and weed legal? None of that even matters really the real reason weed, as well as all drugs should be legal is that prohibition funds terrorism organized crime and makes it easy for young people to obtain drugs. Also any substance can ruin lives are you suggesting that all fatty foods be banned because a large amount of people have serious heath problems because they over eat? If anything fatty foods have a more profound effect on people then weed. Often people will talk about weed "ruining lives" how does it ruin lives? Its been proven pot doesnít cause brain damage or kill brain cells except for minor very minor memory lose. So, I would have to assume that these people you're talking about are using weed irresponsibly, remember bullets and guns don't kill people people kill people, the same way weed won't ruin somebody's life only the irresponsible use of weed will ruin that persons life. It's stupid to think that the small amount of lowered use of drugs due to their legality will ever justify the power it grants terrorists and organized crime as well as the massive amounts of money and lives wasted fighting this drug war.



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Quote from Poosniper123 at 12:06 AM on November 30, 2005 :
None of that even matters really the real reason weed, as well as all drugs should be legal is that prohibition funds terrorism organized crime and makes it easy for young people to obtain drugs.

(Edited by Poosniper123 11/30/2005 at 12:11 AM).


Are u suggesting that making marijuana legal would make it harder for young people to obtain it? Interesting theory.

Marijuana can effect people in extreme ways - some may use it responsibly, yes, but what about the many who don't? People become addicted to the high they get from it, and want more. It's a dangerous drug in this way - some people can do pretty screwed up things when under its influence. Others may even have an allergic reaction to it and come off even worse. You could say alcohol is like this, and it is. But try prohibiting that now - it's already out there and won't be taken away. But this does not mean another potentially dangerous and addictive drug should be released on society as well. One is enough.


 


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Quote from K8 at 03:10 AM on December 1, 2005 :Are u suggesting that making marijuana legal would make it harder for young people to obtain it? Interesting theory.


this is true.  it is so much easier for a 16 year old to get marijuana than it is to get beer.  beer is sold in regulated stores where it is illegal to sell to minors.  marijuana is sold by any number of types of people who will sell to anyone with money.  they'll sell it to a 7 year old kid if they could.  legalizing marijuana would put it in the hands of store owners and put laws on it so that it would be a lot harder for underagers to obtain it.

Quote from K8 at 03:10 AM on December 1, 2005 :Marijuana can effect people in extreme ways - some may use it responsibly, yes, but what about the many who don't? People become addicted to the high they get from it, and want more. It's a dangerous drug in this way - some people can do pretty screwed up things when under its influence. Others may even have an allergic reaction to it and come off even worse. You could say alcohol is like this, and it is. But try prohibiting that now - it's already out there and won't be taken away. But this does not mean another potentially dangerous and addictive drug should be released on society as well. One is enough.


actually, the majority of pot-smokers are able to do so without problem, without getting addicted to it.  you just think that the majority is addicted because those are the only ones you see.  you never see the smart potheads who smoke in the safety of their homes in moderation.

but people are going to do what they want to do.  people will still buy and smoke pot, they will still buy coke, heroin, lsd, pcp, meth, etc even with the risks of getting caught because of the experience they get while on it.  no matter how bad it is for their health they want to enjoy the feeling they get from it.  marijuana is the least addictive of illegal drugs.  the only way it is addictive is psychologically; you get addicted to it the same way you get addicted to listening to music.

people are going to do drugs.  why send them to jail if its not causing a problem?  why not sell them the drugs they want and get the money instead of letting the money leave the country (where the drugs come from) for unknown funds.  a large chunk of the opiates that come into america come from afghanistan, from al quaida's own production.  if people are going to do it anyways, why not let it be productive instead of dragging our country down?

 


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from alcoholism.about.com

November 02, 2003
Marijuana Causes Many Deaths Reported as 'Accidents'
Marijuana use is much more dangerous that believed and hundreds of young people die each year in "accidents" caused by their prolonged use of the drug, according to Britain's most senior coroner.
Hamish Turner, the president of the Coroners' Society, told The Telegraph that the marijuana, often portrayed as harmless, has increasingly been the cause of deaths that have been reported as accidents or suicides.

"Cannabis is as dangerous as any other drug and people must understand that it kills," said Mr Turner. "From my long experience I can say that it is a very dangerous substance. Increasingly it is mentioned not only as the first drug taken by people who overdose, but also in suicides and accidental deaths.

"It is an awful waste of young lives. People are trying the drug at a very young age. Many go on to harder drugs and I am dealing with more and more heroin overdoses. People can also suffer severe consequences from the cannabis alone, however.

"Bereaved parents say to me, 'We didn't realise how dangerous it was until it was too late, if only we had done something'. It is heartbreaking."

Turner said that stronger varieties of cannabis are now common, leading to physical and mental problems in young people, compared to the pot that was available in the 1960s.


Want to watch crime go down?  Legalize everything.     No crime.   Plus, look how much we'd save on police.   And lawyers.   No lawyers.   No judges.   Say, this is looking better and better (if you have not inserted a sarccastic voice yet, go smack your head against a wall).


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Quote from EMyers at 2:16 PM on January 6, 2006 :
from alcoholism.about.com

November 02, 2003
Marijuana Causes Many Deaths Reported as 'Accidents'
Marijuana use is much more dangerous that believed and hundreds of young people die each year in "accidents" caused by their prolonged use of the drug, according to Britain's most senior coroner.
Hamish Turner, the president of the Coroners' Society, told The Telegraph that the marijuana, often portrayed as harmless, has increasingly been the cause of deaths that have been reported as accidents or suicides.

"Cannabis is as dangerous as any other drug and people must understand that it kills," said Mr Turner. "From my long experience I can say that it is a very dangerous substance. Increasingly it is mentioned not only as the first drug taken by people who overdose, but also in suicides and accidental deaths.

"It is an awful waste of young lives. People are trying the drug at a very young age. Many go on to harder drugs and I am dealing with more and more heroin overdoses. People can also suffer severe consequences from the cannabis alone, however.

"Bereaved parents say to me, 'We didn't realise how dangerous it was until it was too late, if only we had done something'. It is heartbreaking."

Turner said that stronger varieties of cannabis are now common, leading to physical and mental problems in young people, compared to the pot that was available in the 1960s.


Want to watch crime go down?  Legalize everything.     No crime.   Plus, look how much we'd save on police.   And lawyers.   No lawyers.   No judges.   Say, this is looking better and better (if you have not inserted a sarccastic voice yet, go smack your head against a wall).


this article really says nothing concrete.  it is filled with baseless claims.  marijuana is safer than tobacco, alcohol, much much safer than heroin, opiates, pcp, cocaine, etc.

it is absolutely impossible to die from marijuana unless you eat your own body weight of it.  but you would also die if you ate your own body weight in apples too, so what does that prove?  the biggest problem with marijuana is that most kids know nothing about it, and then don't know how to act on it or about any other drugs.  the reason it is a gateway drug is because all their lives they are told that marijuana is so bad, and then they smoke it, find out it isn't anywhere near as bad as they were told, and automatically assume that all drugs are like this, which is untrue.  so the problem is with what we are teaching kids about drugs, not with the drugs themselves.
 


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The question is whether marijuana should be legal.  Bringing up tobacco or alcohol is mute.  Whether tobacco or alcohol should be legal is a completely different topic.  Marijuana changes behavior.  Marijuana can make some people alot less "attentive".  People will do things they wouldn't normally do while on marijuana.  Some of those things can be harmful.  Marijuana should not be legal.  Period.


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Quote from EMyers at 7:46 PM on January 8, 2006 :
The question is whether marijuana should be legal.  Bringing up tobacco or alcohol is mute.  Whether tobacco or alcohol should be legal is a completely different topic.  Marijuana changes behavior.  Marijuana can make some people alot less "attentive".  People will do things they wouldn't normally do while on marijuana.  Some of those things can be harmful.  Marijuana should not be legal.  Period.


alcohol affects behavior in a big way, maybe as much as marijuana potentially does.  and there are plenty of drugs on the market for the specific purpose of changing behavior.  outright illegalization is just ignorant of our government, for any drug.  all drugs have a positive use, but they also all have a negative use.  prohibition has shown to increase only negative usage of illegal drugs, meaning, the people who would use it for good purposes can't get it, or have a really hard time getting it, whereas the people who abuse it and are more criminally susceptable can get it easily.  

a lot of kids smoke pot because its a lot easier to get than beer.  and they want to drink beer because they're prohibited to do so (the rebellion stage) and they see it as a major pastime (at least in the US) that they are missing out on.  if you went over to europe you'd see that the teens there are, for the most part, more mature about drinking because they've grown up with it.

what a person does in the privacy of their own home, that does not upset anyone else, should be their own business.  the problem comes in when people want to decide for others on these matters without even giving them the knowledge about the thing they are deciding on.  most of the people who decide on laws like the prohibition of marijuana haven't the first clue about the characteristics of the plant and its effects both physically and socially.

if it wasn't made such a big deal, it wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem.  but its a little late for that now, as its one of the major taboos of the nation.  the fact is, legal or illegal, millions to billions of american dollars are going to keep leaving the country yearly to pay for the thousands of pounds of pot coming in.

(Edited by RoyLennigan 1/11/2006 at 12:16 AM).

(Edited by RoyLennigan 1/11/2006 at 12:18 AM).
 


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"a lot of kids smoke pot because its a lot easier to get than beer.  and they want to drink beer because they're prohibited to do so (the rebellion stage) and they see it as a major pastime (at least in the US) that they are missing out on.  if you went over to europe you'd see that the teens there are, for the most part, more mature about drinking because they've grown up with it."[color=red]

Umm, I am a teenager, to be honest, it's way easier and cheaper to drink beer. And maybe if our parents werent so uptight about it, liek in europe we wouldnt have any problems, Youd be surprised to find how mature teenagers can be about drinking.  Marijuana is expensive, and its fun- but I find it alot less popular only because its harder to get and way easier to get caught with. If anything should change...its the legal drinking age ;)


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And maybe if our parents werent so uptight about it, liek in europe we wouldnt have any problems, Youd be surprised to find how mature teenagers can be about drinking.

If they were mature, they wouldn't be breaking the law.  Showing that you have to escape reality through drugs (including alcohol) shows that you can't handle responsibility.


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Quote from Miss_Veronique at 10:08 PM on January 11, 2006 :Umm, I am a teenager, to be honest, it's way easier and cheaper to drink beer. And maybe if our parents werent so uptight about it, liek in europe we wouldnt have any problems, Youd be surprised to find how mature teenagers can be about drinking.  Marijuana is expensive, and its fun- but I find it alot less popular only because its harder to get and way easier to get caught with. If anything should change...its the legal drinking age ;)

well, in my town its a lot easier for someone underage to get marijuana than it is to get alcohol.  to buy alcohol anywhere, you have to get it from a store and they only sell to people over 21.  but to get marijana, you can just find any number of local dealers who don't care who they sell to.

Quote from EMyers at 08:06 AM on January 12, 2006 :If they were mature, they wouldn't be breaking the law.  Showing that you have to escape reality through drugs (including alcohol) shows that you can't handle responsibility.

but almost all teenagers are immature, no matter where they're from.  its just that in europe they grew up drinking alcohol, so its not nearly as big a deal as it is over here.  over here its all about being macho and seeing who can drink the most.  if you don't believe me, go to your nearest frat house or high school party.

a big problem with prohibition is that almost all the money spent on drugs in the US goes out of the country.  it goes to cuba, colombia, afghanistan, canada, etc.  a lot of the opium that comes into the country funds terrorist organizations such as al-qaeda.  and there are a lot of people who are addicted to opiates.  the end of prohibition, though it would be difficult for a period of time, would bring about much positive change.
 


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As for the legal age of drinking b.e.e.r†and responsibility: In Europe where the drinking age is nonexistant, the crime rates due to alcohol and the amount of teens who go out and drink simply for the sake of being drunk is VERY low. This is due to the fact that alcohol is obtainable for people of all ages. If the drinking age were to be lowered here, then after awhile teens would realise that drinking isn't as exciting as it was before, and would be much more responsibly about it. Kids in Europe can sit down and have a glass of wine or go to a bar just like their parents and don't usually do it for the sake of getting drunk

Moving on the M.a.r.i.j.u.a.n.a:
M.a.r.i.j.u.a.n.a is not as harmful as people might think, and any studies that could be showing the public a different viewpoint is smothered immediatly by the government and replaced with studies that show it is harmful. I know of one specific study wherein rats were injected with THC and their memory and learning capacity actually INCREASED. As for it ruining people's lives, any number of things can ruin a persons life. Getting married, drinking alcohol, gambling, and yet the US government deems these things as safe for the public. I read above that smart smokers and responsible smokers are never put in the lime light or even thought of, simply because they are too INTELLIGENT to be caught, so therefore it is a widespread myth that stoners are stupid, irresponsible, and lazy. I know PLENTY of people who smoke m.a.r.i.j.u.a.n.a a couple times a week and make about 70k a year. As for it being addictive, there are many more studies outnumbering the ones that say it is addictive. It is NOT addictive unless you have an addicting personality, in which you can drink a glass of milk, and be addicted and have withdrawel symptoms if you do not have it. It depends on the hormonal balances and personalities of the person s.m.o.k.i.n.g m.a.r.i.j.u.a.n.a. As for it causing problems with school, I myself smoke before i get down to do my homework, occasionally I get distracted but I always get it done, and it makes it MUCH more enjoyable. As mentioned before about the number of people drinking to get drunk, I'm sure the number of teens s.m.o.k.i.n.g it to be rebellious will absolutely go down, once they realise that they aren't having the effect they wanted on their parents. These commercial ads on the tv, about how stoners can do stupid things, and steal money from their grandmother, and drive a car into the bike of a little g.i.r.l, and leaving the little kid in the middle of the carnival, I just have to laugh when I see those. No stoner I know would steal just to smoke a joint, as for driving a car into a little g.i.r.l†in a bike.. well I would get the money to buy the burger first, and my question is.. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS OF THAT LITTLE G.I.R.L? Why is she riding a bike, in the middle of the city, all by herself? She's going to get kidnapped if she didn't get run over. And with the carnival thing.. well again.. where are the parents? Why aren't they spending time with their children, and sending them off to a dangerous place like that, where they can be abducted in an instant whether they are right next to you or not? Those commercials have little or no truth basis to them.
As for the Gateway Theory:
The Gateway Theory states that pot smokers are much more likely to graduate to a harder d.r.u.g than non users. Again this 'theory' is based on the person. Is a person who drinks wine occasionally going to become a roaring drink and go on a † † † † spree? Probably not. Same goes for pot smokers. Is a person who enjoys getting laid occasionally going to go out and r.a.p.e†30-40 people? I think not. This is an extremist idea. The theory in an earlier post as to the government losing money, that is EXACTLY the reason they are doing it. Also because of the fact that they CANNOT tax † † † † † because it is an herbal substance. As for the Christian view, read earlier posts and you'll find where it was stated in the Scripture that even God intended you to smoke pot. You'll also find that the idea that pot being bad for you is a modern idea. Guess what. GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS A POTHEAD! Surprising? Not really. Many of our old government figures smoked pot, many of our earlier citizens smoked pot as well. Native American S.h.a.m.a.ns smoked it on a regular basis, as it was part of their c.u.l.t.u.r.e. Pot is present in EVERYONE'S history whether you like it or not. There is absolutely NO reason pot should be illegal other then our government being corrupt, money greedy, and power hungry. If you can wage an arguement against THAT, I'd like to see you try.

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"There is absolutely NO reason pot should be illegal other then our government being corrupt, money greedy, and power hungry. "

Um, exactly how much money does the United States of America bring in by keeping marijuana illegal?  Subracting, of course, the amount of money it pays to DEA agents, prosecutors, law enforcement, etc....

What corruption is present in keeping marijuana illegal?  

With all the things that the government can dabble in, why throw their "power hunger" at marijuana?  

How can I make an argument against something that makes no sense?


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Marijuana should be a legal controlled substance.

I keep reading posts from people saying smoking pot destroys lives....how? besides getting arrested b/c if it was legal that wouldn't happen.

Pot is not inherently a gateway drug, it is a gate way because it forces people to go underground/blackmarket to buy it. It that unregulated atmosphere there is a greater potential to be exposed to other harder drugs.

Americans donít like pot because we value productivity over relaxation. That is why caffeine (which is more addictive AND more intense) is so prevalent. Good luck completely cutting caffeine out of your diet. Caffeine also serves as a good comparison for people who never smoked pot, if youíve ever had a cup of coffee think of the little buzz you receive, pot has a lesser effect in the opposite direction, not very impressive.




 


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Making marijuana legal makes it easily accessible.

Make it easily accessible and it will be abused - no question about it.

Abuse marijuana and it will ruin lives.

How can something that impairs memory and coordination, causes dangerous driving, learning difficulties and, after long term use, can cause anxiety and panic attacks be good for any society?

We already know that alcohol and cigarettes can be incredibly dangerous, so why try to legalise something else that we already know can have the same affect?
 


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Precisely.  In fact, I wouldn't be upset if they made cigarettes and alcohol illegal as well.


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Quote from K8 at 7:25 PM on March 10, 2006 :
Making marijuana legal makes it easily accessible.

actually it will make it a lot less accessible to those under 18 (or whatever age they limit it to).  A lot of kids smoke pot just because someone they know sells it and they can get it easily.  If it were regulated and sold in stores, you would have to show an ID to buy it.  As it is, dealers will usually sell to anyone with money.

Quote from K8 at 7:25 PM on March 10, 2006 :Make it easily accessible and it will be abused - no question about it.

Its already abused.  Its not the drugs fault, its not the fault of those who make it legal or illegal.  Its the fault of the individuals who become psychologically addicted to it.

Quote from K8 at 7:25 PM on March 10, 2006 :Abuse marijuana and it will ruin lives.

Abuse alcohol and it will ruin lives.  Abuse cars and it will ruin lives.  Abuse medicine and it will ruin lives.  Abuse money and it will ruin lives.  Abuse power and it will ruin lives.  I could go on.

Quote from K8 at 7:25 PM on March 10, 2006 :How can something that impairs memory and coordination, causes dangerous driving, learning difficulties and, after long term use, can cause anxiety and panic attacks be good for any society?

It impairs nothing.  It just makes you think differently.  To some people it may make them distracted more easily, or it may make them forget more easily, but its really up to the individual's personality.

Personally, I smoke marijuana because it relaxes my mind, helps me focus my creativity when playing music or doing other forms of art, and it helps make social situations more informal and friendly.

There are much worse things for you in this society of ours, and most of them aren't drugs.

Quote from K8 at 7:25 PM on March 10, 2006 :We already know that alcohol and cigarettes can be incredibly dangerous, so why try to legalise something else that we already know can have the same affect?


because marijuana is so much healthier, safer, and relaxing than either tobacco or alcohol.  And it by no means has the same effect.

 


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