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Florida has just allowed a moslem girl to have her drivers license picture taken with a veil.  Liberals defend this, saying we must make allowances for immigrants and religious freedom.  They are wrong.

First off, white people made america great. White men from Europe risked their lives, property and families to create a free nation. Blacks, mexicans, indians, arabs had nothing to do with it, and they have never even tried to the same when they had the chance. Now we are being flooded with 3rd worlders who are being told by idiot liberals that they need not change their ways for us.

If the US becomes more like Mexico, or Saudi Arabia or anywhere else, it will no longer be the place it can be, and that would be a loss for the world. They would work right along with liberals to dismantle our constitutional protections. America needs to be governed by the constitution, not the whims of dog-eaters and camel lovers. We need more white people who respect life and property.

If Muslim rules indicated that women are the property of the men, should Florida law respect that too? They can marry 4 women and divorce them by saying "I divorce you" 3 times. Then the women is out on the street with nothing. If she is raped, without 4 male muslim witnesses on her side, she will be killed for adultry. Should we respect that? Is that "diversity" good for America?Muslims allow men to marry 9 y/o girls, so should we respect that? Or should we make muslims who come to the US adapt to our ways?

Think about this, if you let ragheads hide their faces on drivers licsences, how can you require anyone to get their picture taken?

BTW, the florida woman is a US white girl who converted.

If in America, live like an American. Like we used to be before the immigration act of '68 that turned us into a third world wann-be.

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Florida has just allowed a moslem girl to have her drivers license picture taken with a veil.  Liberals defend this, saying we must make allowances for immigrants and religious freedom.  They are wrong.


No, they are right, just not in this instance.

First off, white people made america great. White men from Europe risked their lives, property and families to create a free nation. Blacks, mexicans, indians, arabs had nothing to do with it, and they have never even tried to the same when they had the chance. Now we are being flooded with 3rd worlders who are being told by idiot liberals that they need not change their ways for us.

This is laughable and saddening at the same time. This has to be the most ignorant comment I've seen on this site.



If the US becomes more like Mexico, or Saudi Arabia or anywhere else, it will no longer be the place it can be, and that would be a loss for the world. They would work right along with liberals to dismantle our constitutional protections. America needs to be governed by the constitution, not the whims of dog-eaters and camel lovers. We need more white people who respect life and property.

Nope. My mistake. THIS is the single most ignorant comment on the site.

America has been white people getting the credit while exploiting minorites from day one.

I agree that there must be some adaption made my immagrants to live in America. At the same time, those who are already here must repsect some of the customs and traditions of the people who come here. If we do not do that, then we are not a free nation.

There is a balance to be made. You, self-rightous, bigoted, ignorant dolts make conservatives look like jackasses, and make your causes less palitable to reaosnable people in America.



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you forgot something - - - >

Whites weren't the ONLY ones who did good for this country.

Not by a long shot!


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its nice to see everyone band togther to defend against racism.


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well, when you think about it...it was more than likely her fathers choice in this matter or maybe her mothers, if she had truely wanted to not have the veil she would have taken it off, America is the land of the free,so really she did have a choice, and whites arent the only ones who are great, look at how many whites, have also done that has caused our nation harm and destruction, i ahve also noticed that there has never been a women,black,mexican president inoffice yet although many run, they often lose it very saddening to see such things when america is supposedly th land of the free, by only haveing white presidents sp far, we have shown that we are unwilling to change what so-ever to beecome the nation we are idolized as! as long as there is no colored or woman president in office we are not the land of the free!
 


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"as long as there is no colored or woman president in office we are not the land of the free! "

I wouldn't go that far. As long as their are legal BARRIERS to a women or other minority being president we are not free. But the lack of a female president doesn't bother me that much. Their has been no major party to field a well credentialed presidential candidate. The closest was Liddy Dole, and I wouldn't have voted for her simply because I'm a democrat.


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well, take this for an example, we used to have the freedom of saying no to a search in your house, since september 11th that ability has been taken away along with the freedom of speach...

also in the constitution it says we are alowed to own guns legally, but i know many people who are just innoocent bystanders, who if had guns would be arrested and would be charged with the fact they owned a weapon (these people are regulars's, not criminals) america is not wat it used to be...
 


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and another reason we dont have a woman president is because woman arent treated like men are, did u know that most woman and minorities make 87 cents out of every dollar that a male that is not a minority makes??? i do not call that equality!
 


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Me either, but many men are still showvanistic.


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I highly doubt any of us in our lifetime will see a woman or a black president.  It just won't happen.  Every president elected will be a white protestant male.  I am not saying it right, it isn't, but thats the way it is.


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yes, thats true.  But still, men are showvanistic.


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I think it's going a bit far to say we will never have a female president in our lifetimes. Note Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Dole. Not that I like them, I just thought I'd point that out. And yes, exxoss, an overwhelming amount of men in our country are chauvanists. Unfortunately. And they all seem to have the power in our country, don't they?
 


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That's exactly why we will almost not likely have a female president.  H. Clinton didnt come close to anything but getting cheeated on.  And elizabeth dole?  LOL.  Bob dole made it farther than a slug.


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Quote from Xenjael at 8:50 PM on August 28, 2002 :
well, take this for an example, we used to have the freedom of saying no to a search in your house, since september 11th that ability has been taken away along with the freedom of speach...




What are you reffering to when you say our freedom of speech has been taken away?




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that since sept 11, everyone is a potential terrorist not able to shield what he doesnt want anyone to see, like his secret comic collection.  A person is broken if their secrets are revealed, and now, we have no chance to conceal our personal things.


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Uhhh, you weren't trying to answer my question were you?


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You can find the same kind of rants in newspapers from the 1800s. Every generation has its share of racist morons who think that immigration is ruining America.
 


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immigration doesnt hurt america...illegal immigration hurts america..do i really need to explain this if so just ask...


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on the contrary, i think immigration (whether legal or illegal) helps america. i've worked with hispanics before and they are the hardest working people in the world. maybe us lazy americans could learn something from them


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amen.


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well you act as f i said that all mexicans are illegal...most mexicans are legal, but the illegal immigrants (from everywhere dont just assume mexico) dont pay taxes. Arent liable for traffic accidents (get hiit from an illegal immigrant and see if you dont foot the bill one hundred percent) illegal immigrants lower wages on certain job areas...like construction and janitorial jobs. Most illegal immigrants are criminals that arent allowed in america bc INS denied them. Immigration is good but illegal immigration is unfair to the legal immigrants that went threw the process and pay taxes as well as us regular naturalized citizens.


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Just another point of view...I was born in Mexico to a caucasian couple who were themselves conceived and born there from European and American parents. I have caucasian features and white skin, but since English was not my native language, I speak it with an accent, (I'm fully bilingual), and therefore considered Hispanic.
 I decided to come to the United States out of love for the values it represents, and ended up joining the U.S. Army. I've served in Kosovo, Germany, and Kuwait, and when I leave the service I'll be considered a partially disabled veteran due to injuries received in the performance of my duty.
 In spite of all that, every now and then I still have the dubious opportunity to read comments like the ones in this forum, and to find those who may be in my same situation (as far as national origin is concerned) being called names and being ranted against.
 When will people understand that the U.S. is a nation of immigrants? The individual that opened this thread rants and raves about the achievements of "white Americans"..."White" Americans are themselves a product of immigration! They were the first immigrants, and in most instances took it upon themselves to annihilate and degrade most of the people that migrated to this great land after they did.
 If that is an achievement, I'm happy to call myself a proud Hispanic-American. I love America and the values it stands for, and I'll gladly give my life in their defense, but by that same token, I will not allow ignorance and bigoted prejudice to stain its name...
 When will we start considering ourselves one big family, instead of classifying everyone according to the color of their skin?


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as i said earlier and ill say it again immigration helps america...illegal immigration hurts america.


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Quote from madbilly at 03:11 AM on November 23, 2002 :
well you act as f i said that all mexicans are illegal...most mexicans are legal, but the illegal immigrants (from everywhere dont just assume mexico) dont pay taxes.

Wrong, most do pay taxes out of their pay checks (most are paid legally not under the table), and file at the end of the year.  
Arent liable for traffic accidents (get hiit from an illegal immigrant and see if you dont foot the bill one hundred percent)

Hmmm...I don't know about this one, do you have any sources on this?
illegal immigrants lower wages on certain job areas...like construction and janitorial jobs.

Thats true
Most illegal immigrants are criminals that arent allowed in america bc INS denied them.

This is wrong, most illegal immigrants just didn;t have the time or money to file to become legal immigrants.  It is a very difficult process and is extremely hard to be accepted as a legal immigrant.  Usually they want to know what you have to offer the U.S. so if you don't have special skills it is hard to immigrate legally.

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illegal immigrants pay taxes too...ever heard of sales tax??


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Ok, wall the borders and deploy the military, which the constitution specifically says is acceptable. This is no longer a nation of open borders, which is sad, but these are the times we live in.

Rather than create the Mexican middle-class in the US, let's make it in Mexico. I'd like to see a lot of new investment and US assistance in the country so that we can create a middle-class there.


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Immigration if fine, not illegal immigration. We have people waiting in line to get here, so letting them in and rewarding them is not fair. You are encouraging them to do something illegal.


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do you have no compassion for these people at all? they have NO money, they're starving and they desperatly need jobs. we should not ignore these people...oh yeah, i forgot your a capitalist. so you dont care about the poor anyway. ok, i'll mention something that you can relate to...they help the economy. mexicans are VERY VERY VERY hard-working because they can appreciate and value any type of jobs. they dont complain and they work very hard. believe me, i have worked with them before.


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I think you stated the kind of people I'd be happy to let into this country.

We should make allowances for all the legal immigration we can handle.

A very disturbing product of illegal immigration is: illegal migrants don't get Americanized.  I want immigrants living here to learn our history, learn our customs, learn to be American.  I want immigrants to become part of us.  I want them to like baseball.  I want them to learn about the Founding Fathers.  I want them to shed thier forgein country and become red, white, and blue Americans.

You can not do that hiding from the law.  You can not do that staying in a community of other illegal immigrants for protection.

What you get is an us vs. them mentality between locals and illegal immigrants.  I want immigrants to come here to join us and become part of us.  Illegal immigrants will never be part of the American dream.  That is sad.
 


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Let's be like Canada and let people who we know faked documents in! Do you know how many terrorists are living there? The estimates are between a few hundred and a few thousand.

Didn't you say you were an isolationist once? Why should the US have to feed everyone and give them money? Not our job! We take care of our people, not the people of other nations...at least when we aren't bothered by them. I don't see Canada or Sweden feeding the world's hungry...it would only cost 100 billion each year! If they want in, they can do it legally.


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kelvin, the majority of mexicans (legal or illegal) are very very hard working individuals. they work 1000 times harder and appreciate much more than us lazy americans.

who really cares if they arent americanized (well technically, they already do live in america when they live in mexico because the whole western hemisphere is america). but if you mean americanized as in the people who live in the USA, i am not sure if would even want them to learn to be like us. most of us (not all of us) are fat, lazy, and dont appreciate anything given to us. we complain about the government all the time yet we dont even make an effort to vote on election day. notice i said most americans, not all. i am not really sure if i would even want mexicans to "learn" to be like us. maybe we should learn from them


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Mexico has no middle class. You are rich or you are poor. Vicente Fox thinks Mexicans should be allowed to come into the US freely so he doesn't have to deal with the poor ones.

Let's learn!


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" I don't see Canada or Sweden feeding the world's hungry..." No, we only have more peacekeeping operations than any other country in the world. At least, quite a few more than the US.


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broker, i never said we should learn from the mexican government. i said we should learn from the mexican immigrants. get it straight.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 10:09 AM on January 22, 2003 :
i am not really sure if i would even want mexicans to "learn" to be like us. maybe we should learn from them



I agree with you that this country has lost it Puritian work ethic.  What I would like to see is all immigrants assilimiated into our society.  Illegal immigration encourages class, social, racial, and economic division in our country.  We can not be a unified country with divisions like that.

Historically this country has been changed by each wave of immigration.  You can sit back with comfort and look at history and say that immigration was great for this country, and I agree with you.  But I will add it was probably a different experience to have to actually live through it.  
 


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This isn't about religious rights -- it's about security.  This woman SHOULD be required to remove her veil.  If you look at the way things are done in the Muslim countries, in the countries where women are ALLOWED to drive they take their ID pictures WITHOUT their veil -- they are required to wear their veil while driving.  If women in these Muslim countries take their pictures without their veils, why can't Muslim women in this country?

One's driver's license is their ID card.  It must show proof of who that person is.  If one is wearing a face covering in their photo, ANYONE can get that license and claim it is them!  This is not only an issue about the security of the nation, but it is for this woman's own personal protection, also.  I personally would NOT want my ID to not show my face, allowing anyone who may steal my purse to then use the ID to steal my identity!  They could then use that ID to obtain credit cards and who knows what else in my name.  They could get a job and not claim their taxes, and get ME in trouble with the IRS.  Sorry, it's just not worth it!  I'm not Muslim, but if I were, I would still not have a form of picture ID issued where my face were covered!
 


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I agree,

         I think you should have to remove your vail for the driver's license photo.  Otherwise what's the point?  They made me take my hat off, so she should have to take off her vail.  The best way to combat illegal immigration is to save up all your money and start buying all the cheap land in Mexico, then one day we can just call it America number 2.  Because we (Americans) will own all the land there.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 02:30 AM on November 23, 2002 :
on the contrary, i think immigration (whether legal or illegal) helps america. i've worked with hispanics before and they are the hardest working people in the world. maybe us lazy americans could learn something from them



The old lazy American arguement is absurd,the lazy Americans are on welfare and not out looking for a job of any kind.The fact is a Five or six dollar and hour job is useless to a man or woman with mouths to feed,a mortage,car payments ect ect.This arguement is most often put forward by business people who don't want to pay a decent wage and don't care whether someone can live while working for them and putting money in their pockets.These are the same kind of people who owned slaves and later on owned businesses that worked people literaly to death during the industrial revolution,people are only resources to them and have little value otherwise.
 


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Some people here are so blind, immigration is fine and while illegal immigration is bad, it is very difficult in order to recive a green card. And those of you who are people like Kelvin who think that a certain culture is the american way then they are WRONG! We don't call this country the great melting pot for nothing. All cultures blend here.

I digress...

Back to illegal immigration. Everyone complains how the illegal immigrants are stealing our jobs... Yeah, like you want to work as a janitor scrubbing toilets at minimum wage for the rest of your life. I didn't think so. Either you work with your back or with your brain and I bet no one here wants to work with their back.

Also, who said that social differences can be eliminated. Throughout history, everything is a class struggle. From Rome with the plebians and the patricians to the czarist russian nobles and their landless serfs. Even in the US we had slavery which evolved into the cheap use of immigrant work in sweatshops during the early twentieth century.

BTW - immigration has nothing to do with the moslem driver. We were told she was a US citizen! This is more of a civil rights or religious freedom debate. Only people like the creater of this thread blame other cultures for weird things americans do.


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