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Right now there is an Executive Order banning assassination of political figures (I think that includes military figures in peacetime, but does not include terrorists). Do you think it should be lifted, allowing the US to have the option of assassination? I will wait to see opinions, and then tell you all why you are wrong (just kidding, sorta...)


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 11:18 AM on October 17, 2002 | IP
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i think it should be lifted. The only way to overthrow someone without a full scale war would be to assasinate. Im talking on an individual basis not on an entire regime. Right now there is really no one to assasinate except for a lot of terrorist leaders and maybe yasser arafat but doing so would only bring about another more extreme leader and create a martyr. Even with this in mind i think assasinations should be legal but extreme thought must be used before doing so. I dont think we should limit ourselves in the forms in which we defend our nations espcially with all that is at stake. Israel uses sound good judgement on its assasinations which i believe to have been very successful in thwarting possible many more suicide bombings, but this is unproven bc we can not see what would of happened if we they did not assasinate. When a terrorst leader is assasinated (in my opinion) it might disrupt activity and give resentment to others who might be afraid the same will happen to them. Also the money of these groups might be disrupted since they are most likely in a ten digit swiss account (which is really strict on giving out money to anyone even the owner of the account. Notice all the mights i used bc it is only a potential outcome but is unproven due to the fact that it would gave to be backed up by evidence on what would have happened if that person was not assasinated. Take note that Israel does use sound judgement on its assasinations bc Yasser Arafat is still alive . We should base our assasinations on the manner in which israel conducts its own.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 11:55 AM on October 22, 2002 | IP
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Ditto.  Assassination leads to less overall deaths and less overall cost of war, therefore it is better to assassinate, altough kill in general is horrible :'(except for abortion!)


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 5:22 PM on November 1, 2002 | IP
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If there ever was a lift on it the american public would definitly be the last to know.  But in theory I think they should, in the long run it leads to less war unless the person becomes a martyr.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 12:38 AM on November 4, 2002 | IP
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and if they become a matyr and we go to war we would have the same result as if we went to war anyways instead of assasination


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 01:50 AM on November 4, 2002 | IP
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Yeah, they become a martyer and get mad as hornets. Big deal if all there leaders (political , econimic, military, ect...) are gone, how will any war effort work? You may have a varst army, but with no general to lead them , how will they fight?


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 2:17 PM on December 6, 2002 | IP
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actually, the british had a plan to kill Hitler during the war but decided against it because they figured he was such a bad military leader, killing him might actually help the German war effort by placing somebody smarter into power.


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 9:19 PM on December 7, 2002 | IP
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So then get him/her!!


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 9:38 PM on December 7, 2002 | IP
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assassinating a leader will not stop all efforts of a war

such as, osama bin laden
if he were to be assassinated, his group would replace him with someone just as, or even worse than he was
same with saddam, unless we setup a puppet government there


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Posts: 48 | Posted: 2:22 PM on January 22, 2003 | IP
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It may not stop the efforts, but it will screw up just about any organization they have. It takes time to replace a valuble leader, and when another one comes, kill him to!


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 3:39 PM on January 22, 2003 | IP
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are you in favor of setting up a puppet government in Iraq if sadamm gets ousted? i'm sure not


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 3:39 PM on January 22, 2003 | IP
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not a puppet govt. a govt run by the US military until institutions are set up and mechanisms put in place to allow for indigenous democratic governance.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 6:15 PM on January 22, 2003 | IP
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Yes, like what we did after we defeated Japan.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 9:10 PM on January 22, 2003 | IP
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Iraq already has infrastructure... they are sitting on a lot of oil and have the potential to become a great nation.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 9:14 PM on January 22, 2003 | IP
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Quote from Guest at 6:15 PM on January 22, 2003 :
not a puppet govt. a govt run by the US military until institutions are set up and mechanisms put in place to allow for indigenous democratic governance.



Sounds like a puppet government to me.  Japan is a healthy democracy.  Think of all the other places with the US has failed to build a democracy after overthrowing a previous government.  If I were to place a bet, then just based on history, the US will probably fail to set up a stable government.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 7:31 PM on January 23, 2003 | IP
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jeezus i said IF we did, assination would be pointless

i didnt say that i am in favor of anything

i swear some people cant read


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Posts: 48 | Posted: 1:51 PM on January 24, 2003 | IP
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Yes the ban on assasination should be lifted.  In fact it should have never been banned in the first place!   Do you think any other country has truly abandoned the practice of assasination!  If you do then your nieve.   The United States Should lift the ban but as quietly as possible and then let the story fade away.  Then you can train and implement a force of shadow men who don't exist to carry out assasinations based on clear and present dangers.  Yes the definition of Clear and Present Danger is open to interpretation but that is just the way I see it.  Never take an option off the board when dealing with an enemy.  
 


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Well getting blow back, in other words a worse leader than the one you assasinate is a concern but if you know the enemy you know the answer to that.  Blow back is usually avoidable and occurs when an agency or organization has not done there home work.  There is no one in Al'Qada as capable as Osama Bin Laden, perhaps you can make a case for Zawari the number two man but we are going to get him as well.  But in some situations you just have to take the chance.  If I were assigned to kill Bin Laden the last thing I would worry about was Blow Back.  I mean killing three thousand people is hard to beat and makes you a straight up Monster.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 10:17 PM on January 30, 2004 | IP
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Assassinations are key in
1. Lessening both civilian and military casualties, despite surgical airstrike sand precision guided bombs.
2. Reduce complications in incarcerating high-profile figures (i.e. regime tyrants, terrorist leaders)
3. Disrupt regimes bad activities.  clearly taking out the key leadership of a tyrant regime will eventually deteriorate it.

WHAT ELSE AM I MISSING???


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Posts: 2 | Posted: 4:44 PM on May 10, 2004 | IP
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Deffinatly lift it
The human cost is much lese than a war
But it can also throw a country into turmoil.
But if we are helping a group within the gountry and they are ready to take power then it works well.
So i think it should be lifted.



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Posts: 23 | Posted: 3:23 PM on June 16, 2005 | IP
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Assassinations must be banned period. If we feel that killing (not in self-defense) one man will save all of humanity, one must not do it. Nonviolence is essential to the survival of all humanity. The death penalty must also be eradicated as well (another form of assassination).


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 1:05 PM on June 23, 2005 | IP
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This theroy only works if everyone feels the same, it is clearly not going to happen. War is part of nature, violence is an instict all animals are violent, many animals even have full scale wars.
Your all very nieve, assasinations happen alot more than you would think, the official statement is that they are banned, but I bet that ban has been broken quite a few times. But its not like they tell people every military plan.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 2:46 PM on June 23, 2005 | IP
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I agree peter, if anyone thinks that a ban has actually stopped assasinations that is nieve. For just the points that everyone has listed here, the toll on human life alone, the practice will never be abandoned. I think the "ban" was just wording to make everyone feel like they were humanitarians. And as far as the death penalty being banned, i agree but not for the reasons you Raelian1. They do not use it reliably, that is the only reason it is not a deterant. Some people on death row have been there for years after lengthy appeal processes and ALOT of taxpayer dollars when they are clearly guilty. If you want an effective death penalty, I say if they are CLEARLY guilty with no doubt at all, I say gas them or electocute them right away and and save us all some money. And please don't bring up humanitarianism, how much humanity did the victim or the family of the victim feel. Good riddence to bad rubbish.


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Posts: 41 | Posted: 9:03 PM on June 24, 2005 | IP
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They loose there human rights when they violate anothers?


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 06:55 AM on June 25, 2005 | IP
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I would say rather than lose them, it's more along the lines of they forfeit them. How would you propose we handle them. Understand I am talking about cold blooded murderers here.


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Posts: 41 | Posted: 08:57 AM on June 25, 2005 | IP
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I notice that some you state that even though assassinations are banned, they are still occuring. You're probably right. As long as we have brainhole terrorists like George Bush running this planet, this will continue. That's why we need world peace and a change of government. Democracy obviously isn't working and we need to try something different. Geniocracy would provide an everlasting solution of world peace by creating a one world government and removing all borders of the world.


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 6:18 PM on June 27, 2005 | IP
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ok you can go and convuce everyone body in the world that your ideas are right. It only works if everyone agrees and its nether going to happen. Wake up from your childish dream world and open your eyes to the real world.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 9:50 PM on July 1, 2005 | IP
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the problematic part with lifting the ban on assassination is that any nation that feels at odds with another could potentially "erase" that leader on the grounds that they opposed what the leader was doing.  
In addition, assassination of a leader has the potential to create the leader into a martyr, even if what he did was reprehensible during his life.  during times of conflict, it is not enough to just remove the command from power, as the 2nd in command will take his place.  winning in war basically means crushing the enemy's resolve to fight, cutting off the head potentially might make the body fight harder.
(tactically, assassination is useful, hence the reason for snipers: elimination of high priority targets)  
now all this isn't to say that assassination is bad, there are cases in which removal of key figures in power is advisable.  but assassination needs to be employed only in the most dire circumstances, not used for scratching anyone that leaders in power don't like.
 


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How would that make us better than thoughts that we don't like. I would also make America like the USSR, it would also mean that America would be the supreme ruler of the world. This would make our current allies our enemies.


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How about assassinating George W. Bush? This would definitely reduce the number of American deaths in the near future... Then again, the only good American is a dead American.


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Where are you from forfunt1?


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