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Canada: Our Changing Northern Neighbors

Canada is a modern democracy and the second largest nation in the world in land. About 30 million people inhabit the country, but that number grows by thousands every year in immigration blunders. Leftist views, a misinformed people, and lack of international involvement could ultimately be her downfall. The Liberal Party and the current Canadian Prime Minister, Jean Chretien (who‘s unlucky enough to be written about by someone who isn‘t French and doesn‘t want to look for the “e“ with an accent on the character map because his English keyboard doesn’t have one), have ravaged the country.  This leaves many of us in the US to ask “What’s happing to Canada?”
Settled hundreds of years ago by the French, Canada was won by the British in the French and Indian War. This huge slice of extra territory was one of the factors leading to America declaring independence, but that’s another story. Canada was influenced greatly by Britain, taking on many similarities. Canda has changed greatly now, however.
A horrible system is the only way I can sum up Canada’s dangerous immigration policy. I thought US attempts to do well with immigration were bad, then I found out about Canada’s. Anyone, and yes, I mean anyone, can get into Canada. Forged your papers to get in? Don’t worry--even if they find out it won’t matter. Don’t have any identification whatsoever? Not a problem--you can even get free health care! That’s right, it’s that easy. Fifteen-thousand people came into Canada recently without any documentation and were allowed to stay. Even if the Canadian authorities find out that your papers are forged, you can stay. Is this policy good for Canada? No. Is it good for the US? Well, consider the fact that three 9/11 hijackers came into Canada before they made their way into the US. Do the Canadian people know how dangerous this is? They need to take this out on their leaders next election cycle. Canada has made itself such an easy terrorist target that some may not be able to resist. Remember the attempted LAX New Year’s bombing? Guess where the terrorists drove their car through. I’m not exaggerating at all! I urge Canadian voters to do whatever they can to change this policy.
What happened to defense up there? Sure Canada has a small amount of citizens, but their army is smaller than the New York Police Department. The Liberal party in Canada is to blame for this. Continued defense cuts have left what’s left literally crumbling. Why not follow Costa Rica and abolish your army? I think the Canadian defense budget is around 13 billion US Dollars, a petty amount indeed.
Canadians love peace, so they might as well help some third world nations with that money. In a recent poll, almost 80% of Canadians said the US was or was partially responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Jean Chretien attributed them to a lack of assisting third world nations. Well, when you have forgiven billions of dollars in loans, made billions more with no interest, flooded money into almost every country in the world, feed tens of thousands daily, and still invest tons, I don’t see us not doing enough. That statement was an outrage and the Prime Minister should have retracted it or at least apologized.
The Liberal party is going to make Canada into another Scandinavian nation--a socialist, quiet, critical nation. Canada, don’t let that happen. Keep up in the international community. Take the Liberal party out of power and make major changes.
The only way I can explain what is happening in Canada is to simply say, “It must be something in the water.”

I rewrote the Canadian anthem, too.

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True hypocrisy in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North socialist system!
From far and especially wide,
O Canada, we stand  guard for peace.
God keep our land leftist and free!
O Canada, we stand guard for peace.
O Canada, peace that cannot and will not occur!

Some parts are a slight strech, but it is an accurate reflection of Canada as it is today.


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canada had potential to be a great nation they could of had british government. french food. and american technology...instead they got american government, british food and french technology.


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How very true...


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whats so wrong with socialism? i think it makes canada a more hospitable place to live in


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There's a reason Canada has won the "Best Country in the World award" 6 years running (US came in 11th last time).


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That's a surprising revelation. I've never even heard of the award before though.


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I feel offended. i am a Canadian and proud of my country and all it stands for, and yes I am a terrible socialist.
Thank you dsa for pointing out that Canada has indeed always placed highly when it comes to what country is the best to live in. We have few people and an abundance of natural resources and space, we also have exellent social programs including health care that make this country one of the most pleasant places in the world to live. I am continually thankful for the paradise I happen to live in and I hope that the rest of the world will one day enjoy the same privilages as I do. We still have a long way to go though and a lot more work to do before we can truly be proud of our country. We are a peaceful compassionate people, for the most part. We have our conservative groups, but luckily they have been removed from power. I hope Canada not only continues it's current policy but that it moves even farther left, I wouldn't be sad at all to be another Sweden thank you very much.
 


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Bah. The liberals (or more precisely, Mr. Cretien) are crapping all over the country.


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do you know anything about canada mr. pie?

canada is a great place to live in. the wealth is distributed more equally than in the united states. the country is also not being threatened by terrorism, and this is because they are an isolationist (or at least partway) country


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Canada has been terrorized by terrorists before... terrorists are using Canada as a base now, documented fact. You can get into Canada with no documents and even if your document are false you can get in, and you can get free healthcare, as stated before. We didn't want to put a fence up on the Canada border, but we're going to have to. Terrorists are getting in through Canada to do horrible things to America.


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i said that terrorists are not attacking canada. sure, maybe some are in canada but that is only because of the stupid mistakes of the united states. i have never heard of a terrorist attack ON canada


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You haven't? Early 90s... they had several.


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"do you know anything about canada mr. pie?" For the record, I live there.


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ok then tell us what is so wrong with your country


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I've heard the same thing I've heard about France from people living in the countries. THey tell me that no one likes the prime ministers, that they do a horrible job, but people are too afraid to change the party in power. I've heard that from a lot of people living in both Canada and France.


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I don't anticipate any other party than the LIberals coming into power here anytime soon, as the opposition isn't nearly big enough,




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pie, there is probably a reason why the opposition isnt nearly enough.

most people that come from canada say that they love their country and its government system. and they also like the free health-care too


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The opposition is in an absolute mess, which is why they aren't competition. None of them, aside from the Alliance are, big either.


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that is because they do not have the support of the common people


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That may be true, but the general opinion I get from people around me is that the Libs, or at least the current PM, need to go.


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Do you know how much of a mess free healthcare is? I know a lot of people in France and Canada that would like to see it gone because it is a huge mess. I think I'll go fine some Canadians to poll them on it right now...


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capitalists like to spread the lie that because health care in Canada is free, it is crappy. but many Canadians have said that the health care is great up there. they really like it.

listen broker, health care is way too costly in the united states. for example, a few months ago i had to get my wisdom teeth pulled. a week before they were going to pull them, the doctor had me come in so i can see a video about wisdom teeth. that was all the appointment was, watching a video. it lasted 15 minutes. after the video was over, i went up to leave, but then i had to stop by the front desk. this specific appointment cost me 90 dollars. 90 dollars!!! WTF??? for a freakin video???? health care in the united states, quite frankly, sucks majorly.

i think the united states is going to be ready for free health-care very very soon. i dont know if you guys heard about this, but on election day in 2002 in Oregon, there was a vote on the ballot to have free health-care in oregon. while it did not pass, it got a very very strong showing.

canada rocks, the united states needs reform


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There is a reason why the major product smuggled into the US from Canada is prescription drugs.


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But is anyone denying that free healthcare is a huge mess in places that have it? You can get free healthcare in Canada if they discover you forged your documents to get it!  Ugh...


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i deny it


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You call the offices of Chirac or CHretien and ask them right now and see what they say.
 


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canada is cool. and so is sweden. the usa needs to adopt free healthcare. it will help reduce the poverty level.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 12:17 AM on January 20, 2003 :
canada is cool. and so is sweden. the usa needs to adopt free healthcare. it will help reduce the poverty level.



Socialism is not about social justice.  It is about control.  Too many times have I seen Canadian unions destroyed by the government to "maintain peace and order".  I belive I even gave you a website about a union in Canada as an example.

The first casuality in a socialist government is charity.  Organizations that rely on charity have a tough time in socialist countries.  People don't think it is their job to look after the poor or unfortunate.  It's the governments job.  That kind of attitude is tragic, because it then becomes universal in government, schools, respect of strangers, and mercy toward people who are really in trouble.  What you get is a nation of black hearted people who don't care about neighbors.

No matter how wealthy you think the USA is, this country does not have a bottomless pit of money.

I don't understand the relationship between universal health care and poverty?
 


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So you aren't willing to call their offices and ask them about their healthcare? That system is a horrible mess! They won't say that outright, but I can gurantee you they'll say that they're working on it!

Kelvin is right. Everyone will just rely on the government and the nation will turn into one where people only care about themselves because it is the government's job to care about others.

Won't impoverished people still have a problem paying whatever you set the fee at? We're in a deficit and you all want to take another 100 billion for healthcare! Maybe when we get back on track and if we could prevent the system from being like that of Canada or France, then, and only then, would it be acceptable.

Better yet, let's take something right from you liberals. For that 100 billion, we could feed every hungry person on the planet for a year.

Don't you dare come at me with the next Gulf War. That's different. If we let Saddam get the bomb he'll do 100 billion in damage.

And you all certainly had no problem with Clinton deploying the military everywhere in the world, and STILL cutting their budget and numbers. Now all the liberals are crying because the military is spread "too thin". Well, blame the man with the highest number of military deployments under a president!


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And I would have invaded Iraq the first time he dared fire on our planes. Firing on US planes is an act of war to me.


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broker, its nice to see you back bud but you are more conservative than ever before! please explain to me how universal health-care in canada is a mess. you always say how it is, but you never really explain your reasoning.

kelvin (a.k.a. McCarthy), you just dont understand how socialism works. you are one of those people who think anything other than capitalism is evil and satanic. in the gun control forum, i said i was socialist and you totally flipped out. you couldnt believe it. you said "Holly S**t.  Is everyone reading this, SOCIALISM!" you need to chill out and realize that their are other government systems out their besides capitalism.


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I'm going to need to ask some Candians. They told me it was a huge mess... I'll go find out why for you.


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I am sure that there are better ways that capitalism.  I know that socialism is not one of them.  Socialism is about control, not about social justice.  When I found out fallingupwards was a socialist then I knew there is a more deeper agenda.  Socialist will need to take away guns in this country before they start their social experiment.  It was no longer a debate about public safety, but rather social engineering.

If you want to build your socialist state with higher taxes.  Then feel free to give more money to the IRS.  Just don't force me to do so.  As long as I have my guns and millions of other Americans do, then there will be no high taxes, there will be no socialist state.  1776 was all about taxes.
 


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we tried no taxes with the Articles of Confederation immediately after the Revolutionary War and it completely failed. the fact is that taxes are a necessary element to society


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I don't think anyone wants to pay more taxes.


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There will never be a high tax socialist experiment in this country as long a citizens have guns.  Notice that the Canadians and the UK had to make sure that their subjects would have absolutely no hope of acting upon the government if they got to pis*ed off.  The IRS pis*es off a lot of people right now.  I don't think that the IRS would ever be allowed to exist if US citizens were taxed to the level required for a socialist state.

Fallingupward, when you mess with gun control, you are messing with that delicate balance between government and a potientially pis*ed off citizenery.  When the government is no longer affraid of pis*ed off citizens, is the day the government is not affraid of burrying people in a secret ditch.
 


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Actually, theres a lot of crap flying around up here over healthcare.


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I see that we have here many uninformed Americans who have been ill informed and mislead my decades of Cold War propaganda and other lies and right-consevative Canadians who want to be Americans and will sell out Canada in a second to fullfill this dream of theirs. Canada is a very nice place to live dispite what they want to do to it to Americanize it and thus ruin it for all.

Out of every health care dollar spend in the US 25 cents goes to "administration costs" with only 75% of the people covered (And this is shrinking (44 million Americans don't have any health care at all). Where as in Canada it is around 11 cents out of every HCD is spend on "adminsitration costs" and 100% of the people are covered. One of my bother brothers had the same attitude about how Canada is run as the right-wing Canadians do on here until he had to have a triple bypass. It would have ruined him if we had a system like the nightmare in the USA.

I had heard that the USA spends around 40% more total on health care than Canada does. This would be impressive except for one thing. They have 900% of our population. So, in fact they spend far less than Canada does.

As to immigration that is where our primary population growth is coming from now. Our birth right is only slightly higher than Europe's and they estimate that within 50 to 100 years there will be 77 million fewer Europeans. We are only doing slightly better.
 


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Quote from Broker at 07:05 AM on January 20, 2003 :
And I would have invaded Iraq the first time he dared fire on our planes. Firing on US planes is an act of war to me.


Only if they were over American territrory. You committed the act of war by blockading his country.

But than again Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

 


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There will never be a high tax socialist experiment in this country as long a citizens have guns.  Notice that the Canadians and the UK had to make sure that their subjects would have absolutely no hope of acting upon the government if they got to pis*ed off.  The IRS pis*es off a lot of people right now.  I don't think that the IRS would ever be allowed to exist if US citizens were taxed to the level required for a socialist state.

Fallingupward, when you mess with gun control, you are messing with that delicate balance between government and a potientially pis*ed off citizenery.  When the government is no longer affraid of pis*ed off citizens, is the day the government is not affraid of burrying people in a secret ditch.


Canadians are allowed to own as many guns as they want and most of us don't want them. I have a badge in marksmanship from when I was a Scout. Besides, it doesn't really matter how well the civilian population is armed the government will always be better armed. You're only fooling yourselves if you think that being armed will make any real difference. Afterall, this isn't the 18th.

Did you know that 70% of all murders in the USA are done with firearms?
 


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I am sure that there are better ways that capitalism.  I know that socialism is not one of them.  Socialism is about control, not about social justice.  When I found out fallingupwards was a socialist then I knew there is a more deeper agenda.  Socialist will need to take away guns in this country before they start their social experiment.  It was no longer a debate about public safety, but rather social engineering.

If you want to build your socialist state with higher taxes.  Then feel free to give more money to the IRS.  Just don't force me to do so.  As long as I have my guns and millions of other Americans do, then there will be no high taxes, there will be no socialist state.  1776 was all about taxes.


Yes, it was about taxes, it was about cutting out the middle man and keeping the taxes for themselves. Your founding father's motives were not as noble as you were taught.
 


Posts: 11 | Posted: 5:59 PM on November 4, 2003 | IP
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Quote from Broker at 03:54 AM on January 9, 2003 :
Do you know how much of a mess free healthcare is? I know a lot of people in France and Canada that would like to see it gone because it is a huge mess. I think I'll go fine some Canadians to poll them on it right now...



For one thing our health care is not free. It is paid for out of our sales taxes. It just doesn't cost us directly out of pocket for each use of itand thus doesn't lead us to being ruined by excessive hospital costs like in the USA and their nightmare with the HMOs.

You know, the flood control on this BBS is WAY TOO LONG.
 


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Quote from Pie at 7:13 PM on January 8, 2003 :
The opposition is in an absolute mess, which is why they aren't competition. None of them, aside from the Alliance are, big either.


So, what do you think of the new party after they merged? The Canadian Reform Alliance Party.


 


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 06:26 AM on January 9, 2003 :
capitalists like to spread the lie that because health care in Canada is free, it is crappy. but many Canadians have said that the health care is great up there. they really like it.

listen broker, health care is way too costly in the united states. for example, a few months ago i had to get my wisdom teeth pulled. a week before they were going to pull them, the doctor had me come in so i can see a video about wisdom teeth. that was all the appointment was, watching a video. it lasted 15 minutes. after the video was over, i went up to leave, but then i had to stop by the front desk. this specific appointment cost me 90 dollars. 90 dollars!!! WTF??? for a freakin video???? health care in the united states, quite frankly, sucks majorly.

i think the united states is going to be ready for free health-care very very soon. i dont know if you guys heard about this, but on election day in 2002 in Oregon, there was a vote on the ballot to have free health-care in oregon. while it did not pass, it got a very very strong showing.

canada rocks, the united states needs reform



I just heard that the USA is the only country in the industrialized world to not have universal health care. It had been the USA and South Africa, but they just started their program.
 


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Quote from Broker at 2:26 PM on January 9, 2003 :
But is anyone denying that free healthcare is a huge mess in places that have it? You can get free healthcare in Canada if they discover you forged your documents to get it!  Ugh...


It has its problems, no system is perfect, but it does work and is not in as much of a mess as some would have you believe it is.
 


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Instead of just arguing about what Canadians think of their healthcare system, take a look at the evidence:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/8056/healthcare-system-ratings-us-great-britain-canada.aspx

They like theirs a lot better than we like ours.  But there's a good reason for it; ours is terrible.


 


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