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I personally think that schools don't need random drug tests. I think it is unfair to the kids. Its not the schools business. For athletes, they should have one because they took an oath to play fair and just. Some athletes use steroids to pump up their muscles when all they are doing is hurting their body. So no on random drug tests in school but yes on athletes.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 1:35 PM on October 28, 2002 | IP
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I don't believe in school drug testing.  It is a violation to all student's privacy and is not needed.  If there is some suspicion that a student is using drugs, go ahead and test them but it's not fair to just test random people.   [color=purple][color=navy][/color][/color]
 


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what harm does it do to you if you dont do drugs? none.  ending random drug tests justs makes it eaiser to recieve drugs.  if your so worried about it just dont do them during school.


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Quote from deep thought at 12:23 AM on April 29, 2005 :
what harm does it do to you if you dont do drugs? none.  ending random drug tests justs makes it eaiser to recieve drugs.  if your so worried about it just dont do them during school.


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Its an invasion of privacy, if there is suspicion of drugs then tes away but if there isn't any suspision then you can't just randomly test. How would you like a police officer come up to you in the street and randomly search and test you for drugs. Or if they randomly searched your entire house to see if you had anything ilegal in them. It is invasion of privicy. Also weed is part of growing up lol.


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Searching houses, i don't agree with. But testing the individual, i don't have a problem with - as long as it's done with respect to that person's dignity. It's no different to random breath testing on roads - it's there to protect society from possible danger. (though i don't know whether they have random breath testing on roads in Britain/America/Canada, etc.).
 


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they don't have random breath testing in britain, if there is suspision that someone is drink driving then they will pull them over and test them. How about random testing of computers for child pornography? or for ilegal music? or again ranodm search of houses to protect the public from pepophiles. Anyway I don't see how a student doing drugs dangers the rest of the students, only them selves, where as a drunk driver endangers all the other road user.


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In canada we dont have random breath tests, but they'll have road blocks set up at random locations specifically for catching drunk drivers, and if they suspect you have been, or if you admit to it when questioned, they'll ask you to accompany them for the purpose of providing evidence by means of a breathalizer.



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We seem to be getting off topic a little, while I agree that the fact of random drug testing in schools COULD spill over into random testing elsewhere, I think that can dealt when and IF the powers that be try that. In the meantime, I think that random drug testing in schools is more of a protection measure for the rest of the children. Many parents have no idea that their children are doing drugs but would certainly be better off made aware of it. It would potentially nip a life of drug use in the bud. I think they are proposing it for that sort of reason rather than just looking for an excuse to throw kids in jail or curtail their freedom. Either way, the school system IS responsible for the safety of the children while they are in school and not in their parents charge.  think they have the right to know as much as they can. We all know that the finger of blame would be pointed squarely at them if anything were to happen and the community reaction would be to say things like, "How could this be going on and no one at the school knew about it beforehand." We cannot blame them for the outcome of a problem without giving them the tools to notice the problem early enough.

Believe me, I am just as cautious as the rest of you when it comes to giving up any rights that we currently have but there is no doubt that something needs to be done. What other  alternatives can we, as free thinkers of clear minds come up with rather than just saying NO?


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Answer me this....
HOW do random drug checks protect the students?


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By finding out if certain students are, in fact, doing drugs - in which case, potentially exposing other students to drugs.
 


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A student doesn't just do drugs because there are the means to do drugs. If you found a knife on the street would you murder the person you were with? You have the means to kill them, just as the students have the means to take drugs, however to take the drugs they must have the desire to do so not just the means to do so, and if they have the desire to do drugs they will find other means to do so.

I much better way to protect students from drugs would be anti drug campaigns showing the dangers of drugs, instead of this invasion of privacy.


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When I said protect the students--you must have misunderstood WHO exactly I was trying to protect. I'm not trying to protect little johnny 8-ball on his coke high. I'm talking about protecting the poor kid trying to do his/her best and not subjecting him/her to weak will of the drug user.

You can't fairly use the analogy of a knife found on the street. If you found a knife on the street, of course you wouldn't go and kill someone with it. Of course the odds are better if you happen to be strung out on heroin and looking for money for your next fix because you haven't gotten your allowance yet.

look at it this way. Lets say YOUR child dies of a drug overdose, wouldn't you rather have known  before his death that he was using drugs and maybe be able to prevent it?

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Well yes (even though children are a long way off yet) however by all means test people that yuou suspect of being drug users. If little jonny is disrupting everyone due to his coke high then there is going to be a rather large amount of suspicion on what he has been doing and by all means test him. But to randomly check the hard working non disruptive students is an invasion of privacy.

Plus the knife anaology still stands becuase my point was that if someone at school was selling drugs or could get hold of drugs for you, you wouldn't just decide I know I'll take drugs.

Plus weed makes people less disruptive.


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[b][size=14] First off, its not an invasion of privacy. When you go to school, you are basically giving up partial rights for the day. Just like if you're at home, your parents have the right to search your bedroom or what not. By entering into the school system, you are telling the school that you and your parents agree for the school to be your "guardian" for the day.
 


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Quote from K8 at 11:07 PM on April 29, 2005 :
Searching houses, i don't agree with. But testing the individual, i don't have a problem with - as long as it's done with respect to that person's dignity. It's no different to random breath testing on roads - it's there to protect society from possible danger. (though i don't know whether they have random breath testing on roads in Britain/America/Canada, etc.).


Well what if someone uses marijuana and makes straight a's and does not disrupt society? that student will get tested and possibly suspended. Is this not absurd to you?




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