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So every advanced spiecies came from one ancester?


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 9:59 PM on October 14, 2007 | IP
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Quote from SilverStar at 11:59 PM on October 14, 2007 :
So every advanced spiecies came from one ancester?


Exactly. That's the whole point of the evolution theory. In fact, every living organism has developed from one ancestor.


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Posts: 5 | Posted: 12:54 PM on October 20, 2007 | IP
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It's better said that all life resulted from a collection of the same ancestors. It wasn't one single organism, but a population.


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So how did this population start? where did it come from? Wouldn't that population come from one unit?


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Quote from EntwickelnCollin at 4:45 PM on October 20, 2007 :
It's better said that all life resulted from a collection of the same ancestors. It wasn't one single organism, but a population.


Ah, yes. Sorry about that, I just used the wrong words.

Quote from SilverStar at 2:59 PM on October 30, 2007 :
So how did this population start? where did it come from? Wouldn't that population come from one unit?


There's actually a separate theory for that, called abiogenesis, birth of life from inorganic matter through chemical reactions. The first forms of life born this way had to be extremely simple compared to the cells we are made of.


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This shows the two faced view when applied the evolution. Because evolution does have gaps that can not be explained at this time by science, it is considered completely and totally wrong. Yet, medicine is incomplete and lacks many answers, but if a Christian is injured or sick they run to a doctor or hospital not a church. Why is this?

Evolution and medicine are both rooted in biology, genetics, physiology, anthropology and chemistry, and use many of the same scientific techniques to progress and improve. Creationist use "Intelligent Design" as an alternative science to evolution science. So why do they not use an idea like "Intelligent Designed Medicine". I think it's due to the idea that they have "no faith" in an idea like that. If you had a family member that died on the operating table and the doctor claimed the death was due to the fact that you didn't pray hard enough... would you find that explanation expectable? What if the doctor said we will open you up but God will remove the disease and close you up. How well would that fly? Not well I would imagine


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Posts: 40 | Posted: 10:22 PM on November 18, 2007 | IP
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More gaps than bridges.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 7:37 PM on November 22, 2007 | IP
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Silverstar:  You asked

"I have only one question for the Evolution community, how can order come from random disorder?"

I have to ask you a couple questions first...

1.  Can you give an example of "order" and "random disorder"?

2.  When you say "how can order...." are you asking how it happens, or, saying that it does not happen?


Guessing that you mean it cant happen, observe  crystals....perfect order...spontaneously growing out of a chaotic solution.  Order from disorder!





















 


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Billvandegeisen:

You asked-"Is it right to teach a theory as scientific fact.  Even scientists admit evolution is only a theory."

If evolution is being taught as fact rather than theory in some places that is a part of a larger problem, namely that education in the USA leaves a lot to be desired.  

If science is taught as facts to memorize then no science at all is being taught.

When you say "even" scientists "admit" its "only" a theory you are showing you dont understand any more about science or scientists than the teachers who present science as "fact" do.

You might as well say that even musicians admit that their art is just sound.   Of course music is sound, of course science deals in theory.

How evolution might be better taught is open to discussion.  Teaching theory as fact though, is not teaching science.















 


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