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home schooling is one of the worst things that a parent can do to a child. one of the purposes of going to school is learning how to cope with other kids your age. if a kid is cooped up inside his house all the time with a parent teaching him (who most likely isnt as qualified as a real teacher). the student needs to interact with other kids their age and needs to be exposed to more ideas.


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 3:32 PM on December 22, 2002 | IP
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the kids can still interact with other kids, many parents enroll there children in little league sports, and these kids have friends in the neighborhood and what not.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 01:48 AM on December 23, 2002 | IP
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I was in home school until high school. I had to more-or-less teach myself 'cause both my parents worked (but helped when they got home) I had some friends and when high school came around, it was a tough couple of weeks, but I fit in alright. As for the quality of my home schooling, the administrators wanted (made) me take all the state-evaluation tests because I made the school average go up!


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I agree. The child doesnt get as much knowledge as they would in school. you learn more in school then you can from your parents teaching you. only if the child had a disability of some sort i think it would be okay to home school them.


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Quote from sourbubblegum at 12:36 PM on December 31, 2002 :
I agree. The child doesnt get as much knowledge as they would in school. you learn more in school then you can from your parents teaching you. only if the child had a disability of some sort i think it would be okay to home school them.



how do you know they dont get as much knowledge?  where you homeschooled?  i passed the same equivenlency test that you had, so how are you more knowledable then me or David?


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Posts: 270 | Posted: 4:20 PM on December 31, 2002 | IP
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Are your parents an expert at teaching language, science, history, math, and all the other subjects that normal kids take in school? Probably not. Its better if you have someone to tech you that knows alot about it.


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Posts: 85 | Posted: 5:37 PM on December 31, 2002 | IP
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My parents? heck no. The way most textbooks are written, all you need is a little study and note-taking. (languages, though...) But history, science, math, english and the classes "normal" kids took I did just as good, if not better than other high-school kids that did middle and grade school.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 9:41 PM on December 31, 2002 | IP
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Yeah and you dont have anyone to explain to you how to do the problems.


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Posts: 85 | Posted: 10:23 AM on January 1, 2003 | IP
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in the other post, you said that textbooks are wrong. now your saying that you used textbooks. make up your mind, bograt


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 7:21 PM on January 1, 2003 | IP
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I used textbooks that my parents got from a homeschool group in my city. Those ones had little or no opinions, just straight knowledge. So imagine my suprise when I got to high school and had to deal with tons of political crap to learn things unrelated to politics! (sorry 'bout the confusion)


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give me one single example. all of my science books and history books gave straight up facts.


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Example? it's been a few years since high school for me and you probably have books I did not use. You may be lucky and have decent books, but I was in Califonia, home of the liberal. As for what I do remember, there was this part of my science book dealing with how oil is formed. No big deal, eh? Well on the same page, with no into or subject change there were pics dealing with pollution, cars and how we should stop drilling for oil. There should have at least been (after a section or chapter end) "oil and peroleum burning leads to..." or something like that. To sour: I had other friends in homeschool, the internet and the phone to my parents work. As I said, you have differant books and it's been a while since I had to deal with this problem.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 01:01 AM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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first of all you give me a pathetic excuse for why you cant "remember" what your books say and that you lived in a liberal state. so basically, you're saying that public schools are fine in every conservative state?

right when i think you hit rock-bottom with your pathetic excuse you come up with an even more pathetic example from your science book. and you failed to come up with any other examples


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No, i'm not saying public schools are great in conservative states, i,m giving my personal example. As for the damn books: try to remember everything you did not like about your 3rd grade school books. Or even some broad topics. (I assume you are in high school) A little hard huh?



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Posts: 134 | Posted: 9:30 PM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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Isn't it true that home schooled children normally do better on standardized tests?

I think I'd learn a lot more if I was home schooled. Teachers at school have to keep with the slowest people in the class. I could probably go at triple the pace. While my history teacher talks I read the textbook. I've learned a lot more from the book than I learned from the teacher droning on... I think I've read about 300 pages in it so far.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 11:04 PM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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I have not looked at any stats yet, but most of my home schooled friends did well on their state-required tests. I know that I did well on my ASVAB prior to joining the military.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 11:40 PM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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standardized tests do not prove anything. they do not judge students fairly and do not cover all of the material.

and for bograt, when did you switch to home schools?


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 11:17 AM on January 3, 2003 | IP
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First: why are standardized tests so bad? second: I was in public for grades 1-3, and then 9-12. homeschool for grades 4-8.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 9:36 PM on January 4, 2003 | IP
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oh so you can remember the "evil" things that were contained in textbooks when you were in high school


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 12:57 AM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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As stated before, few specifics. However a distinct lean to the left was there. Still, why are standardized test so bad?


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 01:12 AM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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take the SAT for example. half of the test is analogies. it doesnt include any science or history. how is that supposed to judge how smart a person is?

i dont know about your state, but in mine there are a bunch of state-wide tests that everyone has to take. teachers can lose their jobs based on what their students score. as a result, they usually rush through the material and only teach stuff that the state wants us to know...not what is really important.


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Yes, my state started the tests.The basic idea of them is good, to make sure that the students are at least learning what the state think is "good". I do not know if teachers can get fired for not properly brainwashing the students, but I would not be suprised. As for the SAT, its main point is to see if you're ready for college.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 11:11 AM on January 6, 2003 | IP
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so you think that the state should decide what we should learn? or should the teachers who possess more knowledge about the subject? sorry bograt, but i'm gonna hafta choose the latter. i would trust a teacher over the state any day.

and i still dont see how the SAT prepares anyone for college


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 1:09 PM on January 6, 2003 :
so you think that the state should decide what we should learn? or should the teachers who possess more knowledge about the subject? sorry bograt, but i'm gonna hafta choose the latter. i would trust a teacher over the state any day.

and i still dont see how the SAT prepares anyone for college



who do you think tells the teachers what to teach?  it is the federal and state governments.


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Posts: 270 | Posted: 4:15 PM on January 6, 2003 | IP
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not necessarily. this only occurs when you have statewide tests


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sorry, but I forgot to add enough sarcasm in my last post. I do not think the state should teach our children at all!!


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 10:21 AM on January 9, 2003 | IP
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I was in public school from grades 1-4. Taking me out of there was the best thing that my parents ever did for me. The teachers in fifth grade used to do the following (and probably still do): rap students on the head/neck with rulers for no reason, call the "geeks" of the class babies and make them wear diapers on their heads for the entire class time, verbally abuse students, etc. I successfully re-entered a private school in 7th grade and my grade average has been a 4.0 ever since. I am even a year ahead of my class. I do not hate the public school system (yes, I did learn many lessons about socialization, etc.), what I do believe, though, is that it could use some major changes as to teachers and principles. Hey bograt, keep up the good work!!!
 


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hmmm...somehow i just dont believe that teachers make "geeks" where diapers on their heads. first of all, its illegal. second of all, there would be a major lawsuit.

what kind of school did u go to? do you honestly think all teachers do this? i'm going to be a teacher. i'm not going to do that.


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Well, it happened. If you're going to be a teacher, why don't you teach your own kids at home? That's what homeschooling is. Believe me, it is so much more fun than public school. I also learned much faster because of the one-on-one attention that I got from my parents. Divide a teacher's attention by thirty and you get a recipe for disaster. Kids end up so discouraged that they simply give up and start cheating. Thankfully my mom saved me before it was too late.
 


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I've said this before, but I'll say it again. My teacher goes so slow that I just read the textbook in the class. I've read about 200 pages in that textbook and I've learned a lot more from that book than I have from the teacher.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 11:49 AM on January 20, 2003 | IP
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but did the teacher put diapers on the heads of all the geeks in the class and call them babies? seriously guest, i think you are a big fat liar. no teachers in the world do that and if they did, they would get fired on the spot.


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Hey, just because one teacher does it does not mean every teacher does it! Some teachers are better than others, and sometimes they use different "methods" to teach. Not that I support the use of diapers as headwear.


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Okay, forget the diaper! (It did happen, but obviously that's not what we're debating.) Homeschooling is not only helpful to those who are very slow learners, it is also helpful to those who are fast learners. Kids (like me) who are much quicker learners than other kids always suffer from complete boredom in public schools because we are totally underchallenged. The public school system can't help because they are too busy focusing on the slower students. Therefore the faster students are completely neglected and they become bored. When you are homeschooled, you can learn at whatever pace you want to because there is no one setting your limits as to how much you can learn. This is why I am a year ahead of my class. My mom took me out of public school and I left everyone in my class in the dust. Homeschooling is not only very beneficial, it also helps kids who are not as slow as the "other kids" in their class.
 


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I agree with Guest and Borat! I was homeschooled all the way up until my freshman year of high school (9th grade) and I'm in 10th grade now. I'm doing just fine, I fit in and I'm getting good grades. Homeschooling is great because you don't have to spend forever learning something that you already understand or you can spend all the time you want working on a paper in a day if you are having troubles. You also get more personal attention from the 'teacher' or, in my case, my mom and dad. I was very prepared for High school and had no problems with it, despite the fact that everyone thought it would have been a complete Culture-Shock to me. I'm planning to homeschool my kids in the future as well.

Now, I'll admit that homeschooling isn't for everyone, but ya don't have to go saying it is horrible for everyone.

Another advantage, though, for homeschooling, is that you have more opportunities for educational trips. I've been to Mammoth Cave, Yellowstone Park, Stone Mountain, Mount Rushmore, COSI (which is an awesome science museum in Columbus, OH), and many other places that most people don't get to see because they are in school when was able to take my school work with me and do it at the hotel or in the car. Maybe you are thinking about Summer Vacation now and saying, "Why not just go then?" well... because not many people want to go on an educational field trip during a break.

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FallingUpwards84, in typical (Liberally educated?) fashion you have provided no substantive support for your position that Public schooling is better than Homeschooling with regards to ANY of the items you have brought up.  You have also taken nothing but an antagonistic attitude toward the debate, "requiring" others to defend their position assuming your's to be the 'right' one.  Ah well, that'd be the Delta Principle at work, best to ignore such inept and illprepared enfants I guess....

Here's the 'dish' from the real world, where the rubber meets the road.  

I was traditionally (public) schooled, my wife was as well.  After much deliberation we decided that we would homeschool our children.  This decision was influenced by the following (these are my experiences and real world findings, I supply them as that alone, not FACTS as apparently required by our unfortunate associate, fallingupwards84):

ALL of the homeschooled children (and the few adults!) we met had considerably better manners and social skills than students from current and past public school backgrounds.  This is VERY different from the slant of 'socializing' our children - belive me I want my children to be Social, I do NOT wnat them to be Socialized. (Note: My boys and girl are involved in: Dance, Drama, Piano, Martial Arts, and Construction {they are building their own playground with my help}...they are all under the age of 10.)

ALL of the BIG name colleges desire homeschooled children.  Mostly for their more mature attitude toward (and thus commitment to) schooling as a general rule, but also because homeschooled students that apply are routinely above the average in all aspects.

As a 'social' aside, you see more and more that National competitions (spelling, geography, and the like) are won by (and typically the top 5 or so positions are dominated by) homeschooled children.  This is not widely broadcast because of the bad press it would generate for supposedly 'better' public schools.

The great majority of homeschooled children interact with adults on a more regular basis, thus they obtain the mature understanding of interpersonal relationships, and are better able to apply that to their interactions with their peers.  My children are typically the ones who organize group activities on the playground - getting all children to participate - rather than playing by themselves or, via public school socialization, conforming to the group consensus.  And, you may choose to believe it or not, the other parents AND children look forward to when my children show up to play, as there is much less physical confrontation and more physical participation at those times.

In reviewing textbooks (you really can go into a school and ask to see the textbooks they use even if you are not a parent of a current student) I have found too often that the multicultural slant of current text books is repugnant to even the facts that I learned in the past (my parents purchased my textbooks from the school as I passed each grade, yes it takes up a huge section of our house...).  Take the time to review the textbooks presented to the state of Texas a while back: they had pictures with the UN flag flying over the troops as they stormed the beaches of Normandy!!  The multiculturalists want to say that ALL cultures have value, and in particular that the Western Culture is decadant, a-moral, and repugnant to human 'rights'.  I would challenge any of them to show me a culture not part of the Western Civilization that produced any of the advances provided by Western Culture (electricity, cars, planes, refridgeration, pharmasceuticals (OK maybe not that one...), shipping, trade/commerce).

And with regards to the actual education 'quality':

My children use a mixture of textbooks, from both homeschool and public school suppliers.  I chose those that best presented the subject matter in a factual, and non-biased way.  Oddly enough that ruled out many homeschool as well as public school books - It is VERY difficult to be neutral with regards to natural facts any more.  In my opinion, it is the Teacher, not the Textbooks, that should interject social bias into the classroom.  Yet, the Teacher in a public school should be even more circumspect with regards to bias, as he/she is teaching students from across cultural, religious, and economic backgrounds.  One would expect them to be the most neutral of all - yet the N.E.A. continues to push its members to support selected (liberal, multicultural, and global) views.


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Let me tell you what I have experienced with many home-schooled kids (if you aren't like this yet you were home schooled then you were lucky). For one thing, they are usually horribly out of shape. For another thing, they lack a great deal of the social skills that school teaches you, by forcing you to intermingle with and develope relationships with hundreds of people from all different backgrounds. In home school, they usually intermingle with 3-4 kids from their block. School also teaches you self-control. Holding it in until break, shutting up during a lecture, not getting up during tests, paying attention, etc. is one thing lacked in homeschooling. Parents won't give you a referral for whining- they will usually hug and coddle you. Thus, the brats become full-grown whiners that thing they know it all because they read an Algebra I textbook during high school. In high school, grades matter a lot- in home school, they matter barely at all. In high school, if you screw up you could destroy your future. In home school if you screwed up, your parents would just put down that you gave the right answer. Do you want these kids to grow up being sissies!?


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I can not hold my self back from bashing the whole idea that one does not learn as much from being home school, nor do they work with children of their own age.

I'm a 16 year old boy, that has been home schooled most of my life. I have only recently started going to a charter school and have had no problems fitting in. I have found that most kids do not learn much from school, many of them have no idea about what is going on in the world, and many of them have trouble following what is taught. Because I was home schooled, I tend to find that I'm far above the other students., particularly in vocabulary where I frequently score 120%.

Since all people are different you must teach every child in a different manor. But in public schools people wonder why a kid get bad grade, and assume that the kid isn't working hard enough. When you are home schooled you can learn in the way that fits your style.

Finally all of Americas schools are failing. Many kid find it difficult to read or write, and the grading system is all flawed. Just because a kid can not remember something that he will never need does not mean that he learns less. Many kids cram for a test and promptly forget it after the test.

Unless you were home schooled you have no place telling other people that it doesn't work!

(Edited by SilverStar 1/7/2007 at 8:19 PM).

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I know I've given you a hard time about your spelling (which was hard to resist considering how adamant you are about home schooling ), but sadly, public schools are graduating children (not kids, kids are goats) all the time that can't spell.  The amount of people that can't spell a simple four letter word today is ridiculous ("loose" is the opposite of "tight" people).  I even had someone try to correct me when I was writing out a check one day because I spelled it "forty".  I'm still not sure he believe me when I told him it wasn't spelled "fourty".  :P


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At least I know how to spell forty.

I am for home schooling for several reasons. One, you are not bullied from an early age, so you are less likely to become a bully. Two, in school you are trying to compete with twenty to thirty other "kids" (just had to use the term) for the attention of the teacher, when you are home schooled you ether have one on one or are competing with only a few children for the attention. Third, you can go as fast as you want in arias that you are good on, and take as much time as you need on arias that you aren't very good at. Fourth, you can do things that most other "kids" can't do, for instance, you can go to a museum when there are no crowds.

Lastly, I do encourage you to correct spelling mistakes, it can't hurt.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 9:35 PM on January 11, 2007 | IP
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I was in public school up until 8th grade and I CHOSE to be home schooled because of bullying, and I needed extra help on my math that wasn't being done by the public school teachers. Homeschooling helped me so much and has been a wonderful blessing in my life.


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