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What causes school violence?

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 7:16 PM on April 30, 2002 | IP
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WHY? Because people want the government to raise their kids!

Kids need to be supervised.

How do parents know if their kid has a gun  when they FAIL to watch, listen, and communicate with their child?

... but that is too hard to do!

Let the government do it!

Just reproduce like animals and beg the politicians to protect the poor STUPID parents from an even more stupid kid!

That is what is ACTUALLY happening!


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I agree. I can't see how it's not possible to notice your child is arming himself for a "last stand" in the highschool quad.


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I also agree somewhat.  My dad wants me to be an A student, So he is in my life 24/7.   But violence is also a clash of viewpoints.  "I'm stronger that you." "No, I am."  "Lets find out!" fight fight.  see?

(Edited by Exxoss 10/11/2002 at 09:01 AM).


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i Don't think music, movies, etc. have anything to do with school violence. [b][color=purple]
 


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Movies, games, etc. may have a slight effect on violence, but not as much as people make it out to be, escpecially music. I agree w/ everyone so far, and would also like to add that school violence has a lot to do with cliques and people who don't fit in. Stuff that's been there forever, but people just have to take it a step farther nowadays
 


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Movies aand such dont do anything.  A child can tell the difference between someone using a nonexistent plasma meatball...


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the ability to disapline the students should be given back to the teachers.  they should bring back paddles, or be able to whack the idiot kid's knuckles with the ruler and not worry about being  sued.  kids get away with  way too much at  school and at home, parents need to know WTF their kids are doing, and teachers need to beat.


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i agree with maynard...teachers need ways to punish kids...suspension doesnt work bc the student doesnt want to be at school anyways.


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i disagree totally. we would be teaching children that violence is ok.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 1:21 PM on November 24, 2002 :
i disagree totally. we would be teaching children that violence is ok.



but violence is ok

anyway, mr. or ms. upwards, how much respect do you have for your teachers? are you affraid of them in any way?  kids arent affraid to commit violent acts in school because they know nothing really can be done to stop them.  like madbilly said, suspension doesnt work, they should have like a inschool lock down.  when i was a senior one student beat up our assistant principle, yeah the cops where called, and he was suspended, but he was back 2 weeks later doing the same crap.  if the schools and teachers had the ability to disipline more virgorously then i believe violence in schools would drop drastically.




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i shouldnt have to be afraid that my teacher is going to beat me


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no you shouldnt be affraid your teacher is going to beat you, but you should respect that teacher and the authority they have, and know that if you do, do something wrong there will be quick retrabution.



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i agree with you, but that retrabution shouldnt be violence


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What a frightening discussion.
 


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you are right in that violence shouldnt be there, but what else would work.  one thing that everybody fears and respects is the chance of physical harm.  people dont usually stick their hand in a running blender on purpose do they?  so if there is the cahnce that the teacher is wack you with a ruler, then you are less likely to do whatever it is you do to get wacked.

why is this disscussion getting frightening beavus?  it just the truth.


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suspension?


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suspension dosent work, i know i had many friends get suspended, and didnt change a thing.


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how old are you, might i ask


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i dont think movies and video games have anything to do with school violence. i think it is caused by anger or hate. I agree that there should be some other form of punishment besides getting suspended if you beat up a kid at school or something. Like madbilly said nobody wants to go to school anyway.  


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i think we can all agree that more gun control would decrease school violence


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 12:11 PM on January 2, 2003 :
i think we can all agree that more gun control would decrease school violence



you are nuts!


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no, i am simply using logic

btw, nice icon you have maynard. but doesnt it go against your ideals?


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 8:15 PM on January 2, 2003 :
no, i am simply using logic

btw, nice icon you have maynard. but doesnt it go against your ideals?


it actually fits my ideals pretty well, unless you know something i dont.



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well from what i can tell, you are an ultra-conservative patriot...so an upside-down flag does not seem to fit your ideals very well


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 11:12 AM on January 3, 2003 :
well from what i can tell, you are an ultra-conservative patriot...so an upside-down flag does not seem to fit your ideals very well



ultra-conservative patriot?  i like that.  but even if i am a patriot, that doesnt mean i like our government.


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There are TONS of reasons why theres school violence.  the main reasons are stupid parents, violent surrondings (movies etc PLUS family and friends), but I think the main reason is social status. Some people are so low in it that it makes tham want to end the pop. peoples life (also others) and there own. For example, columbine. I think we need to lighten up on people.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 8:15 PM on January 2, 2003 :
no, i am simply using logic



what form of logic would that be?  and i feel that if we could arm our teachers, then school violence would go down.


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, arm our teachers??? what a joke!!! do you realize that there have been many many cases of teachers who have been found to have past criminal records? or for example, my 7th grade science teacher was found having sex with one of her students!!!! should we trust some of these people with guns?

and yes, from ur posts, you do seem like you are quite conservative. you take the conservative stance in virtually every issue we discuss


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 01:00 AM on January 5, 2003 :
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, arm our teachers??? what a joke!!! do you realize that there have been many many cases of teachers who have been found to have past criminal records? or for example, my 7th grade science teacher was found having sex with one of her students!!!! should we trust some of these people with guns?

and yes, from ur posts, you do seem like you are quite conservative. you take the conservative stance in virtually every issue we discuss


hey it makes as much sense as what you said.

and since i have been here, i can say i am conservative, never really thought of it before.



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Better gun control would do a lot... put the ten commandments back in schools! I think school violence went up 70% when they were forced to go down.


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Quote from Broker at 7:39 PM on January 5, 2003 :
Better gun control would do a lot... put the ten commandments back in schools! I think school violence went up 70% when they were forced to go down.


how would better gun control help?  its already illegal for anybody under 21 to own a handgun.



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most students who bring guns to school get them from their parents


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Exactly. Guns should be kept locked up or something... not in a drawer or on a shelf or something.


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guns are already not allowed in public schools, that is enough gun control.

it is the parents damn fault for violence in school and the only way to stop school violence is for parents to grow a backbone, parents need to know every aspect of their childrens life.  they need to know if their kids are depresed, and why, and do what is neccessarry to help them.   most parents are too concerned with being cool to their kids and being their friend, thats bs, be their parent.  take the responsability for what your child is doing.


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Isreal used to have school shootings....then they armed the teachers. Problem solved. And, of the last 16 school shootings, 15 of them have occured in states with restrictive gun control.


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I don't know if arming teachers would be such a great idea. I'd hate to make them mad...

You're right about parents needing to care about their children. A lot of children are raising themselves.


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pie, you are all for a violent society arent you? wanting to arm teachers? you are absolutly crazy. if it is acceptable for teachers to bring guns to school, then the students are going to want to too.


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Israel has to make some strange solutions. Falling is right on this one. I don't want to see teachers, pilots, firemen, bus drivers, etc, etc carrying guns.


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Falling-what is wrong with teachers being armed? Granted, not all of them would want to be, and they needen't, but even just a few armed would provide excellent deterrerant to attackers. And if it's a suicidal attack, the killers will do a helluvu lot less damage than if they were unopposed.


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why is this even a debate? why would we never need to arm teachers?


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Namely, to help stop, or reduce the effect of, school shootings. Ever wonder why psychpaths go after schools, and not police stations?


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What basically causes school violence is still unanswered, but some people think that the young teenagers aren't getting enough in accomodating their ideas and energy, like youth centers, sports, even if it's for the sake of just screaming and doing some crazy stuff. Though some may say that those facilities are everywhere, but the facts shows that access to them are not as easy as it may sound and sometimes adding in more activities in those places could actually help in reducing the number of school violance, so I would stick to one of the ideas that these young teenagers need more activities (under supervision).
 


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I tell you, a good way to solve this problem is to ban guns altogether.
In HK, ppl are only allowed to hold guns when they have special occupations that require them, e.g. policemen. No one else can have guns otherwise.
Therefore, there are just no shootouts in schools in HK. Banning guns is an excellent way, I think.
also, all students must be educated to know HOW serious violence is. parents and school teachers have to work together closely.


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Movies and tv don't have anything to do with the violence in the schools. We have the same movies and music as they do in Europe. Yet their violent crime in school is just a small fraction of what ours is. Our problems are much more serious than the media our children are exposed to. Our children do not value life, we have more physical and mental abuse in our homes than any other industrialized nation. Our childen also have easy accesability to guns. Parents have to use gun locks and gun cabinets if they are going to keep them in thier home. Most of the childen who take guns (and other weapons) to school get them from their own home or the home of a friend or relative. Adults need to become more responsible before you can expect the children to be.
 


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And they need to start teaching their children accountability.  Everyone is a victim these days.  How often do you see come parent jumping into defend their child when a teacher brings up a topic?  Children no longer fail subjects in America.  Their teacher failed them because he/she doesn't like boys/girls or whatever.  We live in a society that makes excuses.  We teach kids that morality doesn't exist.  We teach them that there is no higher power/purpose/what=have=you than their own desires and then wonder why they act selfishly.  And then we blame tv.


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Movies and tv don't have anything to do with the violence in the schools. We have the same movies and music as they do in Europe. Yet their violent crime in school is just a small fraction of what ours is.

On your first point I would argue that while "movies and television" don't have EVERYTHING to do with violence in the schools, they do have something.  To suggest otherwise IMHO is naive.  On your second point I would ask if you if you have read any international news articles lately?  I have read quite a few recent articles that deal with  all kinds of violent episodes involving   immigrant youths in places like France and UK (which last I checked were both part of Europe).  
Our problems are much more serious than the media our children are exposed to. Our children do not value life, we have more physical and mental abuse in our homes than any other industrialized nation. Our childen also have easy accesability to guns. Parents have to use gun locks and gun cabinets if they are going to keep them in thier home. Most of the childen who take guns (and other weapons) to school get them from their own home or the home of a friend or relative. Adults need to become more responsible before you can expect the children to be.
 What you are saying goes without saying.  Parents (and all citizens for that matter) should suffer extreme consequences if it can be determined that a fire arm under their charge was not secured appropriately when it was "borrowed" for use in a crime.
 


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On your first point I would argue that while "movies and television" don't have EVERYTHING to do with violence in the schools, they do have something.

I agree with fred.  While these things do not MAKE people go out and do things they certainly bring up things that people might not have thought up on their own and they definitely desensitize people to violence.  Think about it, blood and guts (what-have-you) certainly affected you more the first time you saw it than it probably does now.  The less it bothers you, the easier it is to do.


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You might also say look at the effect that bullying has on children.


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