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Would School Uniforms improve our schools ?

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 7:23 PM on April 30, 2002 | IP
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No on uniforms Yes on dress codes.  If you really want to improve the kids attention span, seperate the boys from the girls.  That will keep the boy's eyes on the teacher and not on the girl's butt in front of him.
  It would help if the guys weren't showing of their undies and the girls weren't showing off their undeveloped breast and behinds.  The dress code if properly enforced could prevent the hiked up skirts.  Uniforms, as a house wife that has to do laundry, I don't think so.  Besides if your daughter is a spring and is wearing a winter color, she's going to look horible.  How's that for self esteem?


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Personally, I think students in school uniforms look both smart & nice, but I find most of the arguements re them both  pro & con in America stupid & emotional rationales at best.  The supposed positive affect/effect of this practice re student behavior (attitudes, discipline, etc.) can only really obtain in a society where it is a "tradition" (e.g., England) that gives it understood meaningful purpose & status for both students & adults. This is hardly the case in America.  It would be "cute" to see "properly" dressed boys in short pants suits & girls in pinafores or jumpers -- and I would favor it on aesthetic grounds if nothing else --  but, alas, it will not ipso facto solve our social problems. Sic transit gloria Mundi...


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I find it ironic that children argue so viemently against school uniforms, only to enforce a corporate-dicated dress code of brand names and fashion crazes. In other words, children are fine with uniforms, as long as they are created by MTV, not the school.

I remeber going to elementry and middle school with "restrictive dress codes" (two or three clothing options.) and after getting to the normal dressing highschool, I did not notice any real difference in the way the children interacted with the teachers, or with eachother.




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as a kid, I find it annoying that most adults try to force us to wear uniform.the arguments:

people won't be judged by their clothes

well, we're not as shallow as that. would we really like our maths teacher more if she dressed like us?
no....and it goes the same with our peers.
second point:
it prevents bullying

again, it doesn't. If a kid really wants to pick on someone do you think they'll just go away if everyone wears uniform? The kid will just be picked on for other, more hurtful things, like the way they look etc.

third point:it brings the chool together

maybe it does, but in my case, it also left us to be treated as a team, not individuals as we are.

fourth point: it is neat

perhaps it is neat, but do we really need to be neat to learn? And if you go to a normal public school, where you pay nothing, to be forced to wear the (ugly and dark) school uniform, it makes you ask...what gives them the right to decide everything for you?  True, adults wear uniforms...but they are being payed to do so. They have taken this on. For us on the other hand, education is compulsury, we don't earn anything and are uniforms aren't even attractive to us.
They do not promote self esteem...they stifle it!


 


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uniforms have pros and cons people can think what they think
 


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Hell no.  I have long been against uniform and dress code.  Uniform would a) limit the imagination of the students b) make an unjust and completely boring repetitive enviroment c)Disallow me to wear all black and be a goth most likely and d) create a detrimental enviroment via religion, health, security(the kids feel better in their own clothes) and success ( a kid who does want to stare at the girl in front of him's bottom will be more likely to try to do good in school to impress.).  Thats just my feeling.  And dress codes, besides really high skirts (bad, bad, BAD) make me not able to wear shirts with curses, marijuana, etc.  This may be my religious belief, even though im wiccan.  I could be cultic, and make a religion called cursism, or marijuanaism.  therefore, dress code and uniform is BAD.


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Definitely NO to uniform, because if you're going to a public school, and escpecially an inner city school (like mine pretends to be), a) some people can't afford it. b)It stifles personal expression and doen't help a bit, and c) people will find a way around it anyway, so why bother. I don't much care about a dress code either way except for the shirts with "inappropriate images/language" on it. That stifles creativity too. Administrators don't much enforce the dress code anyway, so I don't see the point in it.
 


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Kids are so similar now.  First we make them think the same, then dress the same, next thing we know kids are going to be the same.  Forced conformity is not the way to fight against bad behavoir.  
 


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Why should kids be forced to wear the same thing as everyone its like bieng a robot
 


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i dont mind the idea of school uniforms..most parents in my community like the idea to bc it makes school shopping unnecessary and saves parents lots of money and time shopping for new clothes. I go to a private college and we have to wear uniforms (of course this is private and not public) i like it myself.


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I think kids shouldn't have to wear uniforms because it doesn't allow kids to express themselves by the clothes. I'm a kid and i think uniforms would just make our school worse. THere are no gangs, but kids are always fighting because the clothes the other students are wearing.
 


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[size=12][color=red][/color]SECURITY ALERT: null
I think that uniforms would take the kids indviduality away. And you say that it will stop kids from making fun of other kids... well some kids are mean and when they cant make fun oif the clothes they will find somthing else to make fun of them. So taking away there right to where what they want wont stop anything, kids will be kids... So there for it wouldn't make a difference.

 


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and school uniforms set a mindstance. school=jail,, though many think school is jail, my school is sorta fun, yeh i hate work too, but what else would i be doing.
schol uniforms create a mentality, that if im in school and i have rigid rules, i must do the opposite when im not in school. i can personaly attenst to this. there is a school in my neighborhood (private school) , they are single sex and have uniforms. when they are not in school they feel they must do the opposite of whats imposed on them. They wear the opposite kind of clothes, and behave differently. one rule of human nature: when there are more rules there are more to be broken. its quite simple.
 


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[color=blue]one reason we shouldnt have school uniforms in public schools is because many suffer from school uniforms just from the actions of one or a group of people.  Another reason is that a lot of students just want to express themselves though thier clothing, Because they dont know how else to do it.
 


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students should express themselves out side of school. School is a place to learn not socilaize. American students takr for granted that the schools here actually have time to let the students socialize and have events. Most schools throughout the world dont have all the fun we have in high school, and they also learn better and have better educations than us. School uniforms would benefit poor people bc they would not necessarily have to buy school clothes, they could wear the uniform and not be ridiculed for what they wear. The idea of school unforms is a good one, the question of students expressing them selves holds no ground bc high schools are not art schools, where expression is the goal. High schools are high schools and the emphasis should be learning without distractions.


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School uniforms should only be optional to students. It is not going to stop students from leaving the school and skipping class. Well, think about it, kids usually wear a casual shirt underneath their uniform. Uniforms will send kids away from a particular school and they will change to a school that doesnt require a uniform. THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED!!!
 


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Uniforms have been a coplete distaster here in south Louisiana.  At my child's school fights have incesed 300%.  Our school has made lock down status twice because of this.  
Grades and ACT scores have fallen dramatically.  Disiplne problems have skyrocketed.  We are the second most affluent school in the state, but we now have the highest dorp out rate.  And last uniforms attract child molesters.  Do a Yahoo search on school uniforms and you will find 20% of the returns are porn sites advertising young girls in school uniforms.  If you value your childs life you will not permit the school district to turn them into bait.

 


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School Unifrms discourage free expression and are burden on students. Here are some popular arguments for schol uniforms and why I feel that they are wrong:

1. School Uniforms Stop Fights

At schools, People insult eac other for their clothing:
A) The real problem is that the persons' personality is disliked. The bully can simply find another thing to critisize.
B) The bully really feel that the persons' choice of clothes are wrong and this means they deserve to be made fun of. By wearing uniforms, the bullying might stop, but the real problem is still their. The bully is an ass. That's waht should be fixed.

2. Uniforms will let children pay more attention in school.

If a child is distracted by others clothing, surely, there will be other things that they would be distracted by if you took that away.
If anything, an uncomfortable uniform would distract students. Also, whenever someone did break the dress code, it would completely distract children.

3. Uniforms prepare students for the real world.

A. Students have time to learn how to properly wear a uniform later in life.
B. Wearing clothing that matches and is accepted by a clique is a much more important and real life skill than wearing clothing the school assigns.

(Edited by mrmazet 11/20/2002 at 07:00 AM).
 


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YES! YES! YES!  give them brats uniforms, i hear people talking how itll take away their individualilty, who cares.  you are in school, elementary, juniour high, or high school, it dont matter, you have no individuallity.  you are there to learn.  if the kids themselves paid to attend the school, not their parents, then they have a choice, but they dont so screw 'em.

there should be a national school uniform plan, same uniform for all schools, no exceptions.  

kids want to be more grown up then they are, they want to be treated like an adult.  i say no, they are not an adult so then the shouldnt be treated like one.  even when they turn 18 they are still just punk kids.  i know i was there.  all age is, is a number, that doesnt equal maturity, that is built through time and experiences.


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Quote from Maynard at 11:44 PM on November 23, 2002 :
YES! YES! YES!  give them brats uniforms, i hear people talking how itll take away their individualilty, who cares.  you are in school, elementary, juniour high, or high school, it dont matter, you have no individuallity.  you are there to learn.  if the kids themselves paid to attend the school, not their parents, then they have a choice, but they dont so screw 'em.

there should be a national school uniform plan, same uniform for all schools, no exceptions.  

kids want to be more grown up then they are, they want to be treated like an adult.  i say no, they are not an adult so then the shouldnt be treated like one.  even when they turn 18 they are still just punk kids.  i know i was there.  all age is, is a number, that doesnt equal maturity, that is built through time and experiences.


1. To generalize all children as brats is both ignorant, harsh, and just plain stupid.
2. Individuality is something the majority of people at least claim to care about and is a major message school work on sending to pupils. Walk into any classroom and read the posters!
3. You said that children are there to learn, but you didn't say how uniforms did this in any way.
4. Not just students are anti-uniform. Parents are too.
5. Even if there were uniforms, having identical uniforms everywhere wouldn't happen. Schools would want their colors on what their students wear and private schools would want nicer, more expensive uniforms.
5. You're right, students shouldn't be treated like adults. They are just kids. They should be allowed to enjoy themselves and not have to wear uniforms!
6. What does being a punk or immature have to do with wearing a uniform? Does it make students more mature? It just makes them resent adults more!
 


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maynard, i have only read a couple of your entries, but i can already tell that you are a very ultar-conservative ignorant person. not only are you in favor of giving these "brats" uniforms and taking away their individuality, but you also think teachers should beat their students with paddles.  what else are you in favor of? rape? murder? abortion? theft? terrorism?


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not everybody in school are brats, im just generalizing.  and i am not knocking anybodies intelligence.  and i am totally aware that not every school in the nation can have the same uniforms, the school colors is a good idea.  but schools now are like fashion shows.  and then the kids who cant afford the top of the line clothes get made fun of, how well can someone learn if they are constantly being picked on, plus the people that are the bullies arent learning because they are too busy picking on people.  i just feel that schools should be brought back to the purpose of learning, and i fell that uniforms, if inforced, would help that.  


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 1:25 PM on November 24, 2002 :
maynard, i have only read a couple of your entries, but i can already tell that you are a very ultar-conservative ignorant person. not only are you in favor of giving these "brats" uniforms and taking away their individuality, but you also think teachers should beat their students with paddles.  what else are you in favor of? rape? murder? abortion? theft? terrorism?



rape=bad, murder=in the name of selfdefense, good, abortion=dont know, not a woman and its their right, theft=depends, terrorism=very bad.

you got any more for me :D


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As I stated earlier:

"1. School Uniforms Stop Fights

At schools, People insult each other for their clothing:
A) The real problem is that the persons' personality is disliked. The bully can simply find another thing to critisize.
B) The bully really feel that the persons' choice of clothes are wrong and this means they deserve to be made fun of. By wearing uniforms, the bullying might stop, but the real problem is still their. The bully is an ass. That's waht should be fixed."
 


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you said theft=depends. when is stealing from someone else ok?


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did you ever use Napster or any of the like?  if you did then you are a thief by deffiniton, you got something without paying for it, you stole from the recording artist.  


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I wore a uniform for 12 years.  I have listened to both sides of the argument for 11 of those years.  Honestly, uniforms are not as horrific as they have recently been made to be.  I find that wearing a uniform for the majority of my early education has enstilled in me the professional values I find necessary in everyday life.  However, some may argue that it is an enfringement on the right to free speech, I on the other hand do not agree with this arguement.  I find that giving all students the "right" to wear offense clothing will, in fact, offend the rights of another student who is likely being attacked.  School uniforms provide a professional basis to a generation of increasingly professional people.  Why don't we stop focusing on our clothing and start focusing on improving education.
 


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students last concern is expressing themselves. If you want to express you r self do it out side of school, or go to art colege when you graduate. Kids are at school to learn, not to socialize and have fun and express themselves.


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Yes, i understand what everyone is talking about how it takes away from someones personality and all, and that we all shouldn't be blamed for someone elses wrong doings and the parents should step up to the plate and handle their kids. But why can't the "good kids" parents do the same and explain to your kids that just because you are wearing a uniform doesn't mean that you aren't your own self, correct. Why can't you explain that. Why, do just the "bad kid's" parents have to be responsible to take actions?? We all should take. So I think that we should have uniforms in all schools.
 


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I believe that school uniform just teach kids that in order to get along you must all follow the same standards. Thats not right. The uniforms in the end cost a lot more, and what about clothes for afte-school and the week- ends? Uniforms are really just a bad idea.
 


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School uniforms are a fantastic idea. The arguement that "it takes away from my individualitly" is ridicules. If you feel that material objects show your individuality, then does that even show good character anyway? A real individual will show there true colors by meens of writing, speaking, making a difference in the community..etc. NOT by some $48 sweater from the GAP.  Plus, for all the kids who wear all black, "goths" or whatever you are officially called, that is a phase. Sorry, but it is. Someday, when you are forty years old, you will be wearing plaid pastels like the rest of society. School is a place for learning, its just that simple. There doesn't need to be the social pressure that comes along with free dress. All of that can be done on the weekends.
 


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i disagree with school uniforms completely. Kids will find other ways to pick on classmates instead of by what they are wearing. they will pick on them because of their hair, glasses, if they are too fat or skinny, freckles, etc. We go to school to learn. uniforms are not going to have an affect on how well we do in school. it is how much effort you put in.


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Being a student, I think that we should not have to wear uniforms. This would cause more problems, in my eyes, then we have now. Kids would be made fun of if their uniform made then look fat or if it didn't fit just right. Also, some kids use their being able to dress freely as a way of expressing themselves. I personally, think that the way I dress says that I am artistic and sometimes sporty. I think that we, as Free Americans, should be able to choose our clothing.
 


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[color=fuchsia]i think schools dont need uniforms. it lowers creativity of the student. also it inforces another rule. if the school would inforce the dress code it would be fine. the dress code should be properly made and inforced.
 


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Quote from Guest at 11:29 AM on January 15, 2003 :
[color=fuchsia]i think schools dont need uniforms. it lowers creativity of the student. also it inforces another rule. if the school would inforce the dress code it would be fine. the dress code should be properly made and inforced.


how does it lower the creativity of a student?





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Quote from Guest at 09:19 AM on January 15, 2003 :
I think that we, as Free Americans, should be able to choose our clothing.


correct me if i am wrong, but doesnt the freedom of being an american only come into effect when you turn 18?


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Maynard every american is free. and should be able to choose their clothing and not the school


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Honestly, I'm starting to agree with the people that say the creatvity/expression thing is dumb. Student in sense make there own uniforms and your mind doesn't work better directly because of choosing your own clothing.

BUT, I think every reason for schol unifroms in inane. People will still pick on people, just for different reasons. Parents will still be forced to buy clothes for after school and weekends, plus buying the uniform. Uniforms would create soemthing that encourages rebelion, not discourages.

Most importantly, students want to choose what they wear! And students who support uniforms either A) just want to wear it themselves- which they can anyway or B) want everyone else to have to wear it - who gave them the right to choose what everyone else wears?

Dress Codes, on the other hand I see from two points of veiw:

1. Personal, I don't like how our society makes things that look odd frowned upon, and how we have so much against showing more of our bodies. I support doing away with dress codes, exposure laws, and social standards of appearance. I encourage people to look however to want to!

But, I'm not stupid, our society isn't yet ready to change to that idea and I realize other people have different opinions.

so... 2. I can understand a few rules for dress to keep people from becoming too distracted, getting hurt (like wearing thin slippers at school adn risking stepping on something), or offending social standards (for example by having undergarments showing)

BUT, when there's a dress code, there needs to by intelligence in the administration about what really is a problem and what doesn't matter that much.
 


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School uniforms are a waste of money. They don't let you express your thoughts and feelings
 


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maynard you are an idiot

just because you go to school to learn dosent mean thats its only purpose, if it were then the kids would just be zombies

everyone deserves to wear what they choose, and what they wear says something about them,

like those weirdos that have all the f*cked up stuff on, it looks weird
they are telling everyone that they are a messed up person and to stay away, atleast thats what it says to me

i dont wanna be fooled by some preppy uniform that is misleads me into thinking im talking to someone who is really someone else


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ghetocracka hit it right on the head. school uniforms take away our freedom of expression. i refuse to wear some preppy uniform as well


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 3:54 PM on January 21, 2003 | IP
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falling and ghetto: are ya'll opposed to ALL uniforms or just in school? As for me, school uniforms would have been of little concern to me as my idea of getting ready for school involved grabbing whatever was on top of my clothes pile. If that pile happens to have 27 shirts that look the same, so be it. I other words, I do not care what others think of me by my choice of clothing. If they think I'm some colorblind hick from the middle of nowhere and avoid me, I probably did not want to meet them anyway


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 7:35 PM on January 21, 2003 | IP
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Quote from ghettocracka at 1:10 PM on January 21, 2003 :
maynard you are an idiot

just because you go to school to learn dosent mean thats its only purpose, if it were then the kids would just be zombies

everyone deserves to wear what they choose, and what they wear says something about them,

like those weirdos that have all the f*cked up stuff on, it looks weird
they are telling everyone that they are a messed up person and to stay away, atleast thats what it says to me

i dont wanna be fooled by some preppy uniform that is misleads me into thinking im talking to someone who is really someone else


and how old are you my friend?  are you still in school?  or just recently graduated?  

when i was in school i too said no to uniforms, but now that i have been in the world for a bit, kids look too much at the social status that clothes bring, even so in the real world, but in school you are their to learn, it is handed to you, the last damn thing a kid should worry about is how they must look to prevent ridicule.  true, you are never going to stop bullying.  i dressed the way i did because of lack of funds, and i got a lot of shit from it, if my school had unfiorms, then that would have taken away that part for me.  

to me, if you are under 18, and living with your parents, then you dont have the right to wear or do what you want.  you are not putting out your own money to attend school, pay for books, cell phones, cars, etc.  if you want to wear the clothes you want, then get a job, pay for everything else that comes along with attending school.  if you want to show your creativity, then go to art class, get in drama, or whatever else class they have.  

but i can tell from your other intelligent post that your only response will be somewhere along the lines of "F**k you maynard"  


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Posts: 270 | Posted: 10:44 AM on January 22, 2003 | IP
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im an australian who spent 13 years of schooling life wearing a uniform.. and hey there is no problems with one. Ok, i have heard the ignorant kids who have too stereotype themselves by the clothes they where.. or the way they put it expression. Hey i wore baggy school pants so did most others. but i still respected that we looked all the same. There isnt anything wrong with that.

I dont understand americans stupid groups, cause frankly i dont give a rats.. But i know theres like the ghettos the prebs, the geeks.. ya ya ya.. and how u tell by the clothes..
and with a uniform u would probably come closer, instead of looking at each by the hundreds of dollars they spent on an outfit.. depends the stereotype u wanna give them.

and how u gonna grow up in the real world.. ok u express yourself now.. but when u get a job.. watever it is.. are u gonna turn around and say too your boss i dont wanna wear that.. i wanna wear my casual clothes and express myself.. cause the uniform looks stupid..

seriously u wouldnt say that cause u would probably get fired.... the idea of a uniform in schools is too prepare the students for that in life.. cause most jobs have some sort of uniform... business is generally a suit and tie.. fast food their uniform..


maybe america kids should grow up, cause it isnt that bad.. i went through it.. and there isnt anything wrong with it..
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 07:12 AM on February 9, 2003 | IP
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[color=blue]summerluv_2002shay@yahoo.com
I am a student in NC and i have to agree that uniforms aren't a good idea.What do i know im only 15 iknow that i deserve to wear what i want and be who i am i love school and being my self at school is one of the reasons i love school, uniforms would most likely not change me... I find it rarely ironic that children argue over the fact about uniform it is nothing but ignorant. If i had to grow up in school with tha fact that i couldnt express my self I wouldnt be who I am today....  This is my thoughts thank u for the information u people really helped me out with my debate ESSAY!!! thank you    Shana D

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[color=black] I want my children treated as individuals.  I want them to form their own identity.  Who is to say what is appropriate? What if the powers that be in a school district are Muslim and think it is only appropriate to dress in Muslim garb?  What if they are KKK and they think it is appropriate to wear hoods and robes?  What if they think everyone should wear hot pink pants and black and white polkadot shirts?  The way things are being done now we would have to conform or our children would be kicked out of school.  I can't believe that there are poeple in this country that feel uniforms in a public school are okay.  Groups such as school districts should not have the authority to come into our houses and tell us what kind of clothing to purchase, with our money, in order for our kids to attend public school.  Public education should not be subjected to uniforms. Children in this country are guaranteed, by the Constitution, a free education and forcing them to wear a uniform to attend school is, in a way, forcing us to pay for public school. We need to do real things and have real programs available that really help children and the problems they face today. We need to teach our kids that everyone is different. We cannot do that by putting them in uniform. the word uniform is deffined in Webster Dictionary as: 1) never changing.  and  2) all alike.  Is that what we want to teach our kids?  That you have to be alike to get along?   I don't and I refuse to teach my children that is is unacceptable to be different.  I grew up on a farm and every spring we would take the new baby chicks and put them in a warm barn.  It was kind of an optical illusion because all you could see is a big mass of yellow feathers and hundreds of little black eyes.  One day I was in the cafeteria at my daughter's school.  All you could see was a big mass of white and khaki and hundreds of eyes.  No personalities, no individuals, no kids, no arms and legs, no brains, just white, khaki, and eyes.  How sad!
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 10:51 AM on February 10, 2003 | IP
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For those of you that seem to think kids don't have any rights; what about parent's rights?  I'm the one that has to purchase my children's clothing out of my very hard earned money. I think every single thing about the implement of uniforms in public school is wrong and I think khaki pants and white shirts are tacky and asexual.  The kids look terrible!  Don't you think that I have the right to choose how I spend my money and choose clothing that I feel is appropriate for my children?  When I look in my daughters closet and see nothing but white shirts and khaki pants it makes me sick to my stomach and I am ashamed of this school district for selling out to uniforms instead of taking the time and effort to do something REAL to help teenagers with their problems.  Things that look too good to be true never are and the uniform is the perfect example of that.  Parents have the right and the duty to be responsible for their children.  If parents want to send their children to school in a uniform than they should be allowed to do that but if I think a uniform is NOT in the best interest of my children, I should not be forced to make my children wear a uniform.  Please don't compare uniforms in school to uniforms in the work place.  As adults, we all have the right to choose wear we work or don't work.  Children have to go to school, it's the law.  I would not be employed somewhere that the uniform was unacceptable to me.  Most medium/high income jobs, such as engineers, accountants, sales, attorneys, etc. are not required to wear uniforms.  Even teachers are not required to wear uniforms.  Uniforms that are necessary in a profession like a police officer, a fireman,  or a nurse serve a purpose.  The supposed purpose of uniforms in public schools are nothing but urban legend, smoke and mirrors, and illusion.  The only other profession that wears a uniform is minimum wage jobs and I am not raising my children to flip burgers as a career.
 


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For those of you that say children are in school to learn and it doesn't matter what they wear; You don't have any idea how much class time the uniform/dress code takes up.  Teachers are spending way more time on what the kids are wearing than on educating them.  I have never liked the dress code but over the years it has just disgusted me to the point where I have become very vocal against uniforms.  Our children started out wearing: any pants in any color including jeans or any shorts, skorts, skirts or jumpers with any solid red, white, or blue (any blue) shirt.  They had to wear a belt and have their shirt tucked in.  I didn't like it but didn't think it was that bad and my kids were small.  Now 6 years later my kids are in intermediate and high school.  The uniform is now khaki or navy docker style pants, (VERY hard to find for teenage girls) and white or light blue "button down" or "polo style" shirts.  Even as much as I hate this uniform my daughters are not in violation as I am a responsible parent.  They are still subjected to uniform checks.  Their teachers will make them all line up in front of the classroom and they will go down the line to check each child's uniform.  They count the buttons on their shirts and check for belts.  If they have an internal back pocket on their pants, it has to be sewn shut and they will check that, too.  A principal can walk into a classroom in the middle of the class and make everyone in violation stand up and go to the office.  Again, my children are not in violation but are subjected to this insanity EVERY SINGLE DAY.  One of my daughters was sent to the office for wearing jeans and it was jean day for straight A students (insane, too) but the teacher that sent her to the office didn't know that some kids were allowed to wear jeans that day.  It took me about an hour to straighten that out before she could go back to class.  One day a teacher made a boy stand up in front of the class and she pulled up the back of his pants to see if they were too big.  My daughter said later, "Mama, I saw the look on that boy's face and she really hurt him, if you know what I mean."  I have one daughter that is going to graduate one year early because she can't stand school but she too is a straight A student.  Many times the uniform violations depend on if the teachers like that student or not.  They let the students they like get away with some things and pick on the kids they don't like.  A friend of mine was at the school recently and when she turned the corner a teacher had a student out in the hall and she was shouting at him because he was missing a button on his shirt.  Talk about disruption!  All of these kids are paying for this nonsense and I am truly concerned for their future society.  One mother was told to come pick up her daughter at school because her uniform was not quite right.  She picked up her daughter and drove her to the superintendents office and took her in and asked them, "You tell me what is wrong with her uniform." They saw nothing wrong and she told them to call the principal at her school and tell them to let her go back to class.  Last year the kids were allowed to wear those backless tennis shoes so a mother bought her son some of those nice Nike shoes for the beginning of school.  On the first day of school the boy was told (I think in 3rd grade) that they would not be allowed any more and that boy had to sit in detention for over a week until his mother could afford to buy him another new pair of shoes.  There are a lot of low income families in our school district and they used to be able to buy their children nice clothes at some of the resale/thrift stores that we have in this area.  Now they don't have that option because the thrift stores don't have khaki pants or white shirts for the kids.  I'm telling people, if you want to have an opinion on this issue you really need to know what you are talking about.  We all want children to behave, learn, and look nice but uniforms is DEFINITELY NOT the way to do it.    
 


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The whole repressing creativity arguement is a complete and utter flim flam.  People can still be creative without using their clothes.  You express yourself through the way you talk, gesture, apply yourself to work, and who you consort with.  Yes your friends help define who you are.  With uniforms at least you'd give everyone a chance instead of just snubbing people because of their clique'.  True not everyone should be punished for the actions of a few people but I beleive us "good kids" will understand.  oh and about the whole infringement of rights thing.  Now that I'm 18 and have rights i don't want them infringed upon by stupid freshmen who decide to blind me by showing aproximately two feet of but crack.  True people will still be picked upon, but their true friends will still be there for them.  I am in school and I wouldn't mind being "forced" to wear a uniform.  As to uniforms making children into mindless automatons that is bull.  Kids already dress the same, how many pairs of blue jeans have I seen today.  If I saw a pair of Khakis I"d probably go blind from the shock.  With uniforms children would have to make up for the so-called deprivation of creativity by having better (or at least more expressive) personalities.  True teachers and parents could do a better job of diciplining children, and enforcing the dress code, but the only arguments aginst uniforms are based upon ignorance and foolishness.  
No i'm not calling those against it ignorant what I am saying is that you should check your facts.
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