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Overpopulation is a major cause of all environmental problems.

Do not breed, and try to convince people not to breed too.

Don't worry for the economy, the effect will not be important enough to cause problem.

The idea is to have the smallest population during the next century.

Someone who is born now will live in the order of 75 years, have 2 children 25 years from now, 4 grand children 50 years from now, 8 in 75 years...

If you count the number of human years lived within 1 century, it is:
1*75+2*75+4*50+8*25= 625 years!

You can avoid 625 years of pollution, habitat destruction..

If 5% of the population do that, it means hundreds of millions fewer people 50 years from now.

Don't breed! And try to convince as many people as you can not to breed!
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 12:50 PM on November 7, 2002 | IP
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Quote from Guest at 12:50 PM on November 7, 2002 :
Someone who is born now will live in the order of 75 years, have 2 children 25 years from now, 4 grand children 50 years from now, 8 in 75 years...


If you're trying to say that if you have two kids, and they have two kids, and they have two kids, etc. that the population will increase then you are horrible wrong.

It takes 2 people to have kids. Th epopulation remains equal. Then they each pair with someone who comes from a family where they have one sibling and two parents. Each couple has 2 kids. The only increase in population comes from a. people having more than two children or b. longer lifespans, which only increase the population temperarily.

This is at the very least somewhat counter acted by people who don't have children. (death, sterile, or kid-hating)
 


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No it's not what I'm saying.

If all generations have 2 children, the population will be stable, that's right. (2.1 exactly)

What I say is that is you have 1 child, that that child has 2 children, who have 2 children each, etc, alghough the number of living people is constant I agree, nevertheless it sums up to a very large number of humans who will live.

If you have 1 child, you will have 2 grand-children, 4 great-grand-children...

If a relatively small percentage of people- say 5%- don't breed-, it can make a big difference in the long term. The world population could be stabilized much faster.

 


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well the gay population is rising so that will help your thesis.


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Overpopulation is not a problem, and it will not ever be a problem. The problem is that third-world countries have terrible standards of living (of course). If these countries were to establish a free market economy, with much specialization, the standard of living will increase and the country will not suffer the problems it has now.

You said that overpopulation is a major cause of all enviromental problems. What enviromental problems, and why is overpopulation the cause?

In recent history, every claim made by radical enviromentalist has been shown false.

The whole world's population could fit in Texas very comfortably. In fact, they could fit in Virginia. If you want to get into a arguement about this, go right ahead.


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You're very wrong- see UN reports-.

I'm not trying to convince people who don't know about environmental issues, that would take too long.

This was adressed to enviromentalists who really want to do something to save the Earth.
 


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and you seriously believe what the UN says. Those reports where made by enviromentalist who have to create controversy so that they can have something to research so that they have a job. Enviromentalist are full of crap and always will be, examples are there complaints about the ozone layer which have been proven false by many methods and by common sense.


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It's very easy to tell someone they are wrong. It is an entirely different thing to show them they are wrong.

What was I wrong about? Was I wrong about the whole world being able to fit in texas?

I didn't say that I did not care about the enviroment. I simply asked you what problems you think we have. Instead of answering them, you decieded to right a 3 sentence responce with no content whatsoever.

Please, if I am wrong, show me. I'm not perfect.


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Quote from madbilly at 2:55 PM on November 8, 2002 :
and you seriously believe what the UN says. Those reports where made by enviromentalist who have to create controversy so that they can have something to research so that they have a job. Enviromentalist are full of crap and always will be, examples are there complaints about the ozone layer which have been proven false by many methods and by common sense.


75% of scientists think a mass extinction has begun.
95% of clomatologists think there is an anthropogenic global warming.

BEWARE EVERYONE! the conspiracy is growing!

 


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Quote from kc2gwx at 4:45 PM on November 8, 2002 :
It's very easy to tell someone they are wrong. It is an entirely different thing to show them they are wrong.

What was I wrong about? Was I wrong about the whole world being able to fit in texas?

I didn't say that I did not care about the enviroment. I simply asked you what problems you think we have. Instead of answering them, you decieded to right a 3 sentence responce with no content whatsoever.

Please, if I am wrong, show me. I'm not perfect.



Growing population= habitat destruction + pollution + invasive species + global warming = mass extinction.

5 mass extinctions have happened in the last 550 million years. A mass extinction is characterized by more than 50% species lost -up to 95% -. It takes 5-10 million years for the Earth to recover. Mostly simple animals survive during these extinctions.

If it happens during the next century, as the majority of scientists think will happen, with an estimated human population of 2 billions during the next 5 million years, it makes 500 trillion human who will live on a destroyed planet. This is 20000 times more than the total number of humans who ever have lived.

Those who claim nothing's wrong or that population growth is not a problem are just dreaming in colors..
 


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oh shut up you are brainwashed by those morons and there propaganda...tree hugging hippies.


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Or maybe I'm part of the conspiracy!!
 


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you know the guest man is right.  over population is not the only problem, but it is a major part of the problem.   there is no way we can control the pop.  though.  it will continue to grow until the earth's carrying capacity is met and then mother nature will take over, get rid of what the earth cant handle.  

a couple needs to have 2.1 chidren to replace themselves(the .1 covering those children that die) and the average number of kids a couple here in Utah have is 4, and i think its about the same in other states, if you cant see a problem then you are high or just plain stupid.  now I am not talking about third world countries, they are already screwed.


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the average american has 2.4 children
i remeber hearing this all the time at work..whe i shuttled people to and from airports.


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Quote from Guest at 12:50 PM on November 7, 2002 :
Overpopulation is a major cause of all environmental problems.

Do not breed, and try to convince people not to breed too.

Don't worry for the economy, the effect will not be important enough to cause problem.

The idea is to have the smallest population during the next century.

Someone who is born now will live in the order of 75 years, have 2 children 25 years from now, 4 grand children 50 years from now, 8 in 75 years...

If you count the number of human years lived within 1 century, it is:
1*75+2*75+4*50+8*25= 625 years!

You can avoid 625 years of pollution, habitat destruction..

If 5% of the population do that, it means hundreds of millions fewer people 50 years from now.

Don't breed! And try to convince as many people as you can not to breed!



but wouldn't ur theory cause the ending of the human race as we know it?
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Of course not! It would stabilize the population faster and reduce it faster so we don't cause a mass extinction on Earth that will take millions of years to recover from..
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 09:40 AM on January 3, 2003 | IP
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Your plan is ok but HOW will you ever establish that in this miserable world? Would anyone listen to you? Maybe there will be but how about the rest? Who would help you? Would the people follow this plan? Would they help you achieve your goal on stopping Overpopulation? Would the people of today ever help themselves?
You know, we can't help but become idealistic and form several solutions to the problems of mankind but we forget to be realistic in some aspects. We forget the kind of people that live today - the kind of brains we have. It's not that easy to establish something without speculating every inch of effects to this situation if ever this plan of yours would be done.
Our minds brought us into this - but can it get us out?


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Well, there is something to understand, it is the extent of what we are doing. Can we, one or two generations create a mass extinction on the planet where trillions and trillions of humans will live? Can I, can you, morally do that?

We've got to try, at least. Even if there is one chance in 100 that we avoid the collapse of the Earth's ecosystems, we have to try, we must try.

Do not breed and try to convince others not to. It is the best thing you can do.  Everything else will never have the required effect to save the Earth. Even if the others don't understand, it doesn't matter, do it. Hopefully they will understand later, when culture has changed. What's more, you have your entire life to try to convince people. If it is 50 years, it's enough. If people don't nderstand within 50 years, the Earth is dead. So you don't need to have children to continue your ideas..
 


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Wow.  It's amazing how much people will believe, and with so little reason.  I have one question.  Why would environmentalists create propaganda that is personally depressing and causes disbelief?  The whole POINT to propaganda is to make it believable, and to make it BENEFIT to the party who makes it!  

Let's see.. environmentalists, lying about ecological problems gets them.. maybe some money for funding to help reverse these problems.  Let's see.. Political figureheads and parties, corporations, and world leaders, lying about there NOT being any problems gets them.. OFF THE HOOK to go poison the earth more so they don't have to spend billions on proper clean-up.  I wonder which is more believable as to which side is the big liar? Some of you should read environmental status articles sometimes.  God. *rolls eyes*  And FYI, it's easy to find documentation of this stuff happening.  Our president is horrible about keeping his ecological no-no's on the down-low.  He REPEALED the Clean Air Act, for Chrissake.  Oh, AND he made it so we were the only major country in the world to not sign the Kyoto Protocol, which would ensure all the biggest pollutors kept in check better.


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Oh, and by the way, I happen to totally agree that overpopulation is a big problem, and I DO try and encourage people not to have kids, like to adopt.  But its that damnable instinct by mother nature to procreate, that makes people that objectively wouldn't want kids, want them anyways.  It is a losing battle.  But, fear not, like someone said, Mother Nature always finds a way to take care of things.  Balance is always achieved in the end.  These things could be called coincidence, but I count them as evidence to nature's interevention.. increasing population of gays, sterile people, fatal diseases, ect.  Some call them horrible.  I call them population control.

Oh, by the way, all the people that reconise that there are some serious problems with the way humans live, NEED TO READ Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn.  If you want a copy, but there is not one at your nearest library, let me know, if you are interested in reading it, I will find a way for you to be able to do so.  It's that amazing of a book.  It defines all the bars of the cage we live in in our human culture.  And once you can properly see the bars that hold you, you can try more effectively at breaking through them.
 


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err.. that last post that says by Guest was by me.  sorry.


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Sadly the people you can convince are not the ones who are part of the overpopulation problem.  Overconsumption problem, maybe.

Generally, the countries with the largest overpopulation problems are those with the least education and the least resources.  Countries in the first world, Europe and the United States, have relatively stable or declining populations.  However these countries consume more and create more waste.

Polio has recently broken out again from Nigeria and spread into neighboring African nations.  The reason is that elders in north Nigeria convinced many that the polio vaccine caused sterility among females.  This is the mentality of people who need to be convinced and despite decades of convincing they do not believe or trust their would be "educators."

Unfortunately, the overpopulation solution will likely be unpleasant.  China can expect its first population decline in 2040, estimated.  The reason is simple, the Chinese, not "treehuggers" by any means, saw they had a problem but their citizens were too ignorant to be convinced.  So the government made one generation suffer to save many.  The children of those who were forced to have one or two children are better educated and, according to recent census data, will likely only have one or two children themselves.  But this new generation will do so voluntarily.

Likely the most effective overpopulation solution, short of that of using force as China did, would be to give food and medicine in exchange for temporary sterility drugs.  Currently on the market there exist many such drugs which render a person sterile but only for one to three years.  Of course, such a solution is incredibly politically incorrect and will never be implemented.


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Actually I think like I told my step sister -n- law. She is one of those N'gostic  that belive in the Right to die / right to Kill!

I said that she and those like her should Set forth and "Set A GOOD Example", that would be a a fine staring point. Being that she is an exsteme Marxist.
We have to learn from someone, why not  the one's shouting the rheoteric, why it would be a great moral  bost to there cause!!!
 


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Population control is essential to our survival. Check out this link: Japan's population control


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 12:25 PM on June 23, 2005 | IP
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You are probably right about over population.
But the problem you have is that you are attempting to get fairly intelligent people to deal with it. You need to expend your energy on third world nations who fully intend to out populate you, blame you for their woes and then kill you.
Eh? what?

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If evolution is true, than any thing that can not adapt to use destroying their habitat, and global warming, than those things have no right to exist. It is not up to us humans to save them, nor is it up to use to try and stop global warming. It comes from a natural cause, human technology.

"If" evolution is true.

(Edited by SilverStar 1/8/2007 at 6:59 PM).


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Don't forget, it wasn't all that many years ago when they were worried about how the temperature had been dropping and we were in danger of another ice age.... and before that it was global warming... etc...


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And if they are so accurate, than we should have run out of oil in 1913.

They also seem to like to forget about basic physics 101, water expands when it freezes.


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[u][color=blue]  Overpopulation....an intersting topic...hmm...I think that having a family is a beautiful thing...it is indeed part of nature which is also beautiful.  As far as overpopulation and humans destroying the universe...I think that humans are wise enough to control having too many children as well as what happens with the environment that we all live in.
 


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Finnaly some one that doesn't think that the human race is so stupid that they need a government regulation to give them self control.


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Overpopulation is the cause of nearly every major problem facing the human race.  I realize that we are considered more intelligent than any other species on the planet.  I do not believe,however, that this intelligence gives us the ability to ignore or be immune to basic biological limitations such as the predator /prey relationship that is key to keeping nature in check.  Overpopulation and mans arrogance to feel he has a special right to do anything he wants will eventually doom us all.  overpopulation is a serious problem.  overpoulation by itself brings the wrath of all the four horseman of the apocolypse.  wouldn't it be better to bow down to famine,pestilence, war, and death when it is the actual  end of times rather than when an african village with the resources to support 20, reproduces to 50 and therefore self imposes the horsemen on the new 30 that are already small and weak.


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would that inclued me having listen to all of this overpopulation stuff.


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KC2GWX,
I agree in some ways with your supporting argument, but am having trouble with your premise...How is overpopulation never going to be a problem???  carrying capacity and scarcity of resources-although addressed by scientific progress currently, in no way gaurantees future solutions...


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my opinion on this topic has recently changed, i have decided that yes the human population is over populated, i suggest that we open a hunting season for humans. if people think that it works so well on deer than it's bound to work on humans. or i might just be saying that the deer have as much a right to live as you do. just because you don't speak deer doesn't mean that your so much better.
how ever I am probably the only current human in support of an idea because most humans have been told from an early age that the entire species is some how more special than other animals. you are no different, a bit more destructive perhaps, so stop with the double standards. if it is alright to do something to one species than it is alright to do it to all species.


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The only way to stop overpopulation is if the facts on StopAtTwo.org are common knowledge.

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