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I understand that part, but what about air attacks? I just wanna be a fighter pilot. I also wanna be part of the ground fight.


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Posts: 157 | Posted: 4:05 PM on January 12, 2003 | IP
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Well 88, you can do that! There are women fighter pilots these days, in every branch of service that has planes/choppers. As for pilot/grunt combo, your gonna hafta choose on or the other.


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Yeah I know. Its really hard. lol! but in all seriousness I still think it is our rights as Americans to fight. Times have changed.


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Posts: 157 | Posted: 7:45 PM on January 13, 2003 | IP
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So you are saying that you are willing to sacrifice the lives of the men in our armed forces in order that you may exercise a supposed "right?"


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Posts: 26 | Posted: 8:09 PM on January 13, 2003 | IP
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Im not saying I want to sacrifice lives. All I'm saying is I would  fight for my country. I love my country and I don't want to sit at home and watch the war on cnn. I want to go and fight. I may sound selfish, but I just want to help our nation become a greater nation.


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Posts: 157 | Posted: 6:48 PM on January 14, 2003 | IP
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I do not question your patriotism or dedication to our great nation, but I have a problem with someone who wants to use war for their personal gratification. Again, I am not against women fighting, but fight in the air, on the home front, or a vast number of other arenas. Not in ground combat, it needlessly costs too many lives.


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American,
Well said.
 


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I understand that and I respect your answer.


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i dont think we should be so quick to go to war for that same reason. it seems like everytime we get in a conflict with a country, we have to threaten to bomb them or somethin. whatever happened to achieving goals diplomatically?


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Well...we try. And if we fail, we use "high velocity diplomacy".


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i have a feeling that we bush is going to skip that step in iraq


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We tryed it, he doesn't dissarm. What are we supposed to do give him another 11 yrs. we should of killed him when we had the chance. But noooo, bill clinton had to woose out. He's to worried about what the people say about him then doing what is the right thing to do. i was watching Black Hawk Down one time and on the movie there is this HUGE plane in it. My dad explained to me that that plane was like a flying tank and in them are these giant cannons that when you make them shoot if your standing behind it, it will smoosh you to death because the cannons fly back when you shoot them. Then my dad said that if we would of just used thos plane no one on our side would of gotten killed. clinton didn't want to use the plane because it would look bad to the public. We could of saved lives if it weren't for that idiot.


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first of all, bush senior was the president during the persian gulf war. therefore, you cannot blame clinton for sadamm being alive.

not to mention that clinton was the best president that we had since jimmy carter. bush is the idiot, not clinton.


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Carter and Clinton good presidents! Carter was a weak president (a nice guy though, but a bad president) and Clinton, well what is ONE thing he did right?


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maybe the best economic period in the history of the united states?


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 5:24 PM on January 17, 2003 :
maybe the best economic period in the history of the united states?



The smartest thing that Clinton did was keep Ronald Reagan's economist.  Clinton did exactly same thing to the troops in Somalia that government did to the troops in Vietnam.  Which was to send them into combat and restricting their rules of engagement.  Didn't he protest the Vietnam war?  What did he learn from it?

The business of killing and maiming people is horrible.  Why would anyone want to offer themselves up?  If you gotta go, then by all means go.  If you don't have to go, then by all means be glad you don't.  If you need to help, there are lots of ways to help serve.  Why cheerish the "right" to kill and maim?

Debategirl, you sound very ambitious.  Consider for a moment, that men shot down in combat and captured, are raped in prison too?  There can be a high price paid for your ambition.  I hope your future in the military and government will be about service to american people and not your own glory.  I also hope you do get to fly supersonic someday.  Good luck and may God cover your 6.
 


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also hope you do get to fly supersonic someday.  Good luck and may God cover your 6.

Kelvin thanks for that. i don't want to go to bttle for my own glory. I don't even care if Im one of the unknown soldiers. I am ambitious, ambitious for my country. I love it so much because of its freedom. People are so caught up in other things that they don't stop and think what freedoms they have instead of haven't. As most people on this site knows, I am a Christian. I most likely wouldn't survive in Iraq just because of my faith.

Has anybody heard about the story of the fiery furnace and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abindigo? Thats my favorite Bible story.

If I really don't have time to explain it, but you can read about it in the book of Daniel. it talks about faith. Thats how feel about God and the country God has blessed me with. i am very proud of both of them.


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kelvin, ronald reagan was the suckiest president ever. our country got stuck in a total mess because of him and got out of it because of Clinton.


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This will be very old, possibly irrelevant, but going back to a post in the beginning of this thread, tsmith said that he would rather have a man that hit 30/40 targets rather that a woman who hit 40/40 targets. On the front line of course.   I can see both sides... the man is less accurate, the woman has a greater chance of freezing up... Which would you guys rather have fighting with you


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i think women should have the same opportunity to fight as men. i dont know why they would want to fight in iraq, but if they want to go ahead and let them. i dont see any reason why we should not.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 9:17 PM on January 19, 2003 :
kelvin, ronald reagan was the suckiest president ever. our country got stuck in a total mess because of him and got out of it because of Clinton.



Three words for you in support for Reagan:  No Berlin Wall

Three words for you regarding Clinton:  Monica Blow J**

Let's face it.  History will remember them respectively for those three words.


(Edited by kelvin90703 1/20/2003 at 02:51 AM).
 


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republicans are so obsessed with politicians private lives. why does it matter?

the fact is, our economy sucked during reagan and rocked during clinton. period.


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I bet if democrats found something out about the personal life of Bush, yall would use it in a heartbeat. Like the time that Bush was arrested for drunk driving. Don't be hypocritical falling, your  to good of  a debater to do that. Oh, and they make fun of Bush for getting C's on his report cards. But I guess thats not personal right?


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yeah, but we didnt try to impeach him for it


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 02:56 AM on January 20, 2003 :
republicans are so obsessed with politicians private lives. why does it matter?

the fact is, our economy sucked during reagan and rocked during clinton. period.


Good, bad, or evil; Reagan pulled the economy out of a recession with massive defense spending.  Clinton is responsible for more military deployments in history and at the same time a big reduction in defense spending.  The Dow Jones and S&P was on the way down before Bush was sworn into office.

I want to know every private detail of the Commander in Chief and President of the United States.  I want to know his honesty with friends and family.  I want to know how he treats people privately.  I want to know how he conducts his personal business.  All this is a measure of the man.  We must measure the man because nothing short of the fate of the world is at stake.

In a modern world wide technological market.  Working hard is not enough.  You have to work smart.

(Edited by kelvin90703 1/21/2003 at 1:32 PM).
 


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If yall were able to yall would. The reason the house impeached Clinton was because he commited a crime while he was in office. Reagan was one of the greatest presidents ever. Clinton was a HORRIBLE president. He pretended he cared about people. Reagan cared about people. he spent time with poor African kids.


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ya clinton does blow ass

1 of 2 presidents, i beleive, that were impeached


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Clinton certainly wasn't the first President to do it, he was just the first one to get caught.  I've heard many a horror story.. most notably about Warren G. Harding, who was quite fond of having sex with his interns in the Presidential closet.  Clinton was stupid because he got caught.  But hey, the guy got some tang.... if you can't use your title of "President of the United States" to get some action, what good is it?  No, but seriously though... just because he commited an immoral act doesn't make him a bad President, because he wasn't.

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Its not the act that pissed eveyone off, it was the outright lie that he told about not doing it.


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i hafta agree with fourthfloor on this one. clinton was not even close to being the first president to do this. the difference is that the media is so big right now and influences politics more than ever. those evil media people. what clinton did was wrong and stupid and a big mistake but we have to keep in mind that it is his personal life. as long as it does not interfer with his presidential duties.


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I could care less (OK, a little) if the President gets around a little. I care if he can tell the truth to the American people if he does get caught.



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I agree with Bograt. when he swore, "I did not have any sexual relations with that woman."  He lied to the people and congress.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 3:49 PM on January 22, 2003 :
t clinton did was wrong and stupid and a big mistake but we have to keep in mind that it is his personal life. as long as it does not interfer with his presidential duties.


I've always given credit to Clinton, Hillary, and Gore for being very smart people.  I guess Bill really wasn't that smart.

Do you think my boss would think that my duties did not suffer if I got some luvin at work?  Well I was Bill Clinton's boss and I think he should have been fired.
 


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I think there EVIL.lol! Anyways they dont have COMMON SENSE!


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I'd just like to mention the IRONY in the "no women in combat" side. First they say "men are stronger and they're better to defend this country in the front lines." THEN they say "Men will sexually assult women." hmmm....I don't know about you guys, but if a man sexually abuses a woman because he can't hold in his sexual desires, I don't trust him with a machine gun ANYWHERE. If a man is gonna RAPE a woman, it seems ironic to let him defend the FREEDOM of this country in the front lines. Period.
 


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I think that women have the right to go into war if they want to. But war is a stupid thing, because if you think about it we are all humans and yes, we do have different races and belifes but still we should not go to war over it. The bible (not trying to be offensive) is like a guidline to life, all those lessions like turn the other cheak are good ones, and ones we should fallow. U dident read about jesus going to war for his belives, i mean sure he got slapped around and crusified , but still that doesent mean that we are not going to get pissed off at a person. And war is just killing people just because your pissed off at someone. but what happend at 9-11 was wrong.  Back to the point women proved them selves just as usefull as men so ya they should beable to go to war.


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