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I think that it is important to protect the rights of even the smallest portion of the country, but I don't feel that those rights should eclipse the rights of the majority since we are a democracy.  That said, I feel that flag burning is a right Americans have that should be upheld because it may those who burn the flag aren't hurting anyone else or infringing on their liberties.  Those people who don't support flag burning can simple not watch it if it offends them, it's just like anything else you might see: If it bothers you don't look (however that of course doesn't apply when discussing human right issues and other pressing matters).


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 11:50 AM on June 23, 2005 | IP
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Flag burning should not be against the law. If that sound unpatriotic, that's fine with me, after all patriotism usually leads to war and murder. Here's a good example of partiotism in action with a twist of George "Brainhole Terrorist" Bush misleading patriotic Americans into a war with Iraq:




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Posts: 68 | Posted: 12:31 PM on June 23, 2005 | IP
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So i guess we shouldnt have fought in WWII since civilans were also dying in that one too?  Civilian deaths are part of war something that can not be prevented.

I am strongly against someone buring the American flag. To me it shows you hate America.  In saying that you still should be able too, thats what America is being able to speak whats on your mind and not getting in trouble for it.  I am not agree with it but you should have the right to do it.


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Posts: 97 | Posted: 5:59 PM on June 23, 2005 | IP
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I belive a classic churchil quote says it best
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 8:42 PM on June 23, 2005 | IP
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Quote from skins38 at 5:59 PM on June 23, 2005 :
So i guess we shouldnt have fought in WWII since civilans were also dying in that one too?  Civilian deaths are part of war something that can not be prevented.

I am strongly against someone buring the American flag. To me it shows you hate America.  In saying that you still should be able too, thats what America is being able to speak whats on your mind and not getting in trouble for it.  I am not agree with it but you should have the right to do it.


America didn't have a choice about WWII. But since the forming of the UN, war should have been a thing of the past. America chose to go to war with Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also, just to let you know, I love living in America. America is a great country to live in. It's the Bush Administration I despise. I don't believe in National Patriotism. I believe in world peace (I don't like to use the term patrtiotism because patriotism breeds terrorism and fascism). And I don't wave the American flag because I care about all people on Earth, not just Americans.

(Edited by Raelian1 6/27/2005 at 7:06 PM).


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 7:02 PM on June 27, 2005 | IP
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[b]Quote from Raelian1 at 7:02 PM on June 27, 2005 :

America didn't have a choice about WWII. But since the forming of the UN, war should have been a thing of the past. America chose to go to war with Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also, just to let you know, I love living in America. America is a great country to live in. It's the Bush Administration I despise. I don't believe in National Patriotism. I believe in world peace (I don't like to use the term patrtiotism because patriotism breeds terrorism and fascism). And I don't wave the American flag because I care about all people on Earth, not just Americans.

(Edited by Raelian1 6/27/2005 at 7:06 PM).


By the way could you please define your definition of National Pat. and Fascism, or do you belive in Global Patriotism/fascism reason why I ask is the two are an Oxy-Moron look them up they cannot be present at the same time. One is a single leader type of government, the other is a democracy two  part house with checks and balances, so one should not  topel the other.
But please do enlighten me!!!

1.War will alway' be here  to stay here as long as there is people willing to commit genocide, and lead people astray( not to mention little 4 ft men landing in space ships)

2.  Fighting broke out (Nov., 1946) between Vietnamese and French troops in Haiphong, and French ships shelled the city, killing some 6,000 civilians.
    France formally asked U.S. aid for the Bao Dai regime in Feb., 1950. By 1954, the United States was paying about 80% of the French war costs in Vietnam.

3.U.S. Involvement

In 1961, South Vietnam signed a military and economic aid treaty with the United States leading to the arrival (1961) of U.S. support troops

4.All this time we then US had been paying the Vietnamies and Allies/France. To assist since 1954 to 61 to keep the soviet Union from turning them all communist.

how do I know Some of my best friends are from both side's of Vietnam besides all you have you have to do is not read revisionist History but read older history book from that day.
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Now back to theory on Flag burning? We as Free nation have the freedom and speach rights to be able go and say and do pretty much whatever we want and do! As stated in the Constatution, it a freedom we have that people have DIED FOR Do YOU GET THAT!
I have lost plenty of uncles and relatives so you and others can BURN that Flag!

That is ok.

But if you are gonna be like France and walk outa wars like Veitnam and then Asia, and later Afganistan, dont forget we saved Their butt in the big war and when will they repay us the US.(I forgot The Statue of liberty, but thats only one war)
Seems to me, the other countries start them walk away, we assist them, finish them or the American people as today and yesteday coward out. We win in power, but politacally we lose because they and others see us as innocent demoralizing killers@!

But to answer you question Yes!

In Germany They have the freedom to do whatever, but remember;
so does the other guy?
If you burn one flag don't be suprised if he burns your Karron, or your state flag!

Remeber we all have rights, and they are protected!!!

Mr D

(Edited by Smiegal 7/4/2005 at 11:14 PM).
 


Posts: 11 | Posted: 11:51 PM on June 27, 2005 | IP
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Thank You for that reply!

You know we have so many people who come into this melting pot of America and that is what it is!

And are only wanting what it hat to offer!
Not wanting to pay any price, kinday like walking into a store and stealing something without paying!
Then complaing that you have to pay for it.
ITS NOT FAIR THEY SAY, YOU RIGHT WING BIGGOT'S!


Again I say to You Thank you for you Patriotism!
I know there will be those who will assisanate us for saying that "Word" the P word.

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Posts: 11 | Posted: 01:23 AM on July 2, 2005 | IP
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No, flag burning should be allowed and not against the law.   We must protect the freedom to not like our government and demonstrate,  and that includes flag burning.

If you dont like the USA then its your duty to change it, not leave it.  All the forefathers who signed the Declaration of Independence were TRAITORS to England.

People who burn a flag.. are they any different?  They are taking a stand, and that right should be protected, including burning a flag.
 


Posts: 42 | Posted: 12:27 AM on October 6, 2006 | IP
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Anyone who burns a flag has either never been taught what it stands for or seriously needs to think about moving to another country.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 08:11 AM on October 6, 2006 | IP
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If you dont like things in USA.. its your duty to change things , thru peaceful means , and burning a flag is a demonstration thru peaceful means.

If you gonna revolt against USA government and use force.. you better win.. as our forefathers did against England...lol
 


Posts: 42 | Posted: 10:57 AM on October 6, 2006 | IP
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Do you know what the flag stands for?


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 08:11 AM on October 7, 2006 | IP
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Im a US Air Force retired 20yr veteran.  We must protect the rights of anyone who desires to demonstrate against the USA, that includes burning a flag, which I would never do by the way.

That flag was raised up on Iwo Jima, amazing why anyone would want to do that.  

Our founding forefathers showed great insight into this.  Our constitution is built around the idea that we are free to demonstrate against a government that might get outta control.

They also saw great foresight to allow us to have guns to protect ourselves from our own government.

Its astonishing what our forefathers did.  Washington refused to be King.. amazing.

WE THE PEOPLE.... not WE THE GOVERNMENT!!!
 


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Do you know what the flag stands for?



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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 1:47 PM on October 8, 2006 | IP
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Again, our government is designed in a way where the PEOPLE have the power to fight back

Don't take that away by making it against the law to burn a USA flag.  Oh and you repeated yourself.. usually a sign of weakness
 


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Do you know what the flag stands for?

It's not weakness.  I'm waiting for you to answer the question.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 2:15 PM on October 8, 2006 | IP
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While I'm not for a law against burning American flags, we have too many laws as it is, it does make one wonder why some one would want to live in a country that they don't like enough to publicly burn the country's flag.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 10:31 PM on January 11, 2007 | IP
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I recall being very upset with the Viet Nam war protestors.  They frequently burned flags.  Looking back, I think they helped in saving the lives of a lot of our soldiers and helped to end an insane war.  

I get very upset when I see a flag burned, but I would do my utmost to protect the right of any citizen to do it.  

Bush/Cheney through the Patriot Act took away important constitutional rights and we stood by with our hands over our mouths and didn't offer so much as a whimper.  Why?  Because we were frightened of the terrorists.  What happened to the spirit of out forefathers?  I agree with Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death."  When we should have demonstrated and rioted, we instead cowered in a corner feeling oh so wrongly a little bit safer.


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Posts: 3 | Posted: 7:56 PM on February 17, 2010 | IP
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I look at flag burning in a very as nothing more than burning a cloth. I don't see very much difference between the different countries of the world including America. the difference is a matter of degrees. an all too true statement, in my opinion, would be "the flag might be different but the methods are the same". personally the only thing i willing to risk my life protecting is deer, that is why i will never join the military. weather or not America wins will not change whether or not my deer get shot at.


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