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kelvin90703

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T.R -  One straight talking rough riding president.

Jimmy Carter - The smartest man to ever be president.  100% honset man, brought peace to the middle east, over all not a good president.  Has a nuclear sub named USS Jimmy Carter.

Ronald Reagan - Dumbest president, but smart enough to find the smartest cabinet.  Ended Cold War.  Brought country out of Jimmy Carter's recession.  Has an aircraft carrier named USS Ronald Reagan.

Bill Clinton - USS Bill Clinton doesn't sound right?  Smart man, smart wife, smart vice-president.  Tried to bringing peace in the middle east, but not quite.  Hummer, not the SUV.

Senior G Bush - Smart enought not to mess with Ronald Reagan's policies.  CIA director, he knows everything.  The aliens at Roswell, who killed JFK, what you had for dinner, etc.

GW Bush - Not the brightest bulb.  I bet he gets special briefings from the former CIA director, a real plus.  Dropped ball with 9-11 on his "watch".

My greatest president: F.D.R. he saved the world.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 2:01 PM on January 21, 2003 | IP
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HOLY CRAP, this is the first time i've agreed with you on ONE point. FDR was by far the best president in history.

btw, there is already a best/worst president debate in the politics forum.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 3:57 PM on January 21, 2003 :
this is the first time i've agreed with you on ONE point.


I am glad you agree that USS Bill Clinton doesn't sound right.
 


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Yeah, considering Kelvin liked TR, not FDR....

I like TR, FDR, Wilson, Truman, and Clinton.
I dislike Hoover, Eisenhower, Reagan, and Bush I and II.


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kelvin, i said that i agreed with you on FDR being the best president in history. do you realize that FDR was a borderline socialist?

i agreed with your view on jimmy carter, i agreed with you when u said reagan was dumb, i disagreed with the analysis of clinton, and i disagreed with your opinion on the bushs

i am not very fond of teddy roosevelt because he was an imperialist and imperialism is evil


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i am a liberal chrisitian and proud of it!!!

"Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most - that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least." - Eugene Debs
 


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Do you also realize that his socialism did not pull the country out of the Great Depression.  The cure was massive defense spending.
 


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If they were never President.  If they never went into politics.  But both became insurance salesmen, who would you have date your sister?

Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton?
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 1:40 PM on January 22, 2003 | IP
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to answer your question, i would not want either reagan or clinton to date my sister. reagan because he's an ultra-conservative who has no sense of reality and clinton because he would make a move on my sister (who is only 13 by the way)

it is generally accepted by historians that the New Deal pulled our country out of the Great Depression. FDR's programs (alphabet soup) provided jobs for the unemployed and bolstered the economy.


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"Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most - that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least." - Eugene Debs
 


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 3:51 PM on January 22, 2003 :
it is generally accepted by historians that the New Deal pulled our country out of the Great Depression. FDR's programs (alphabet soup) provided jobs for the unemployed and bolstered the economy.


The New Deal helped with relief of the depression.  What is your definition of "bolstered".  Only ultra massive defense spending dug the country out of the Depression.

Ok how about?  Who would you trust to date your sister?

Reagan or Clinton?
 


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first of all, i already answered your question about who i would rather have date my sister and i said neither.

massive defense spending did not drag us out of the depression. our economy was already improving way before we entered world war 2. will you admit that FDR's programs provided more jobs for the unemployed? will you admit that Herbert Hoover's solution to the depression (no programs, no welfare) was a complete failure?


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"Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most - that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least." - Eugene Debs
 


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 8:32 PM on January 23, 2003 :
first of all, i already answered your question about who i would rather have date my sister and i said neither.

massive defense spending did not drag us out of the depression. our economy was already improving way before we entered world war 2. will you admit that FDR's programs provided more jobs for the unemployed? will you admit that Herbert Hoover's solution to the depression (no programs, no welfare) was a complete failure?



I admit it.  I also admit the economic explosion after the WW2 was due to ultra humugus defense spending.
 


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and i admit that the economic explosion after WW2 was due to defense spending. but as far as the great depression goes, the New Deal is what brought us out of that


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i am a liberal chrisitian and proud of it!!!

"Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most - that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least." - Eugene Debs
 


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Clinton definately!!!
 


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Quote from aasha_ at 1:02 PM on January 24, 2003 :
Clinton definately!!!



You over look:

FDR who saved the world from Nazis.

Jimmy Carter who I am sure never cheated on his wife while President.

TR who opend the Panama Canal.

Lincon who saved the Union.

JFK for all the affairs he kept secret.

History will remember Clinton for the hummer (not the SUV).
 


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My fav. presidents- Lincoln, Reagan, Bush 1-2.
Worst presidents( I really dont have to say it yall know what Im gonna say)- Nixon, Carter (nice guy, BAD president), and the worst ever iiiis (drum roll please) CLINTON. Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a LOSER!!! He was a WOOSE, a word im not alowed to say, a cheating lying another word Im not allowed to say, MORON!!!


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The worst has to be Bush the dumber (II).  He has fooled ditto monkeys and other right wing nut cases into believing he is a good person.

What else but full-scale public brainwashing accounts for the rash of Stepford Citizen Syndrome spreading throughout the country?

Which brings us to the case in point. Researchers have identified the following symptoms. If you overhear anyone making the following statements, assume they've been brainwashed and intervene immediately:

1) "George Bush is a decent man."

Abraham Lincoln once said, "[I]f you want to test a man's character, give him power." If he steals power, however, the nature of his character is no longer in question. Overlooking our thrice-arrested president's blatant disregard for civil rights, human rights and the environment, they continue to downplay scandals and downgrade their role as protectors of the public trust. But with oft-repeated quips like, "lucky me, I hit the trifecta" and "if this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier," G.W. offers a glimpse at his indecent inner frat boy. Especially revealing was a Talk Magazine interview, in which he mimicked death row inmate Karla Faye Tucker. "Please," Bush whimpered, mocking Tucker's plea for clemency, "don't kill me." Gallows humor is only funny when those telling jokes don't have the power to save people from the gallows.

2) "I have faith in our system of checks and balances."

Certainly, the uproar over Operation TIPs and recent court decisions on FBI abuses and secret deportation hearings are healthy signs. Except, of course, that controversial findings against Ashcroft's Justice Department will most likely be appealed before the same felonious five who handed down the 2000 selection. Chief Justice Rehnquist has already warned that, "in times of war, the laws are silent." Then, too, though the Constitution grants Congress the sole right to declare war, since 1948, America has been involved in approximately 250 military incursions without one single declaration of war. The Bush regime has already said they don't need Congress' approval on Iraq. So much for checks and balances.

3) "We have to defend ourselves, and the war on terrorism is the only way to do that."

Anyone who believes this war is simply a drive to eradicate terrorism must be brainwashed. The U.S. has been building military bases along proposed oil pipeline routes, and has its eye on the oil and gas reserves in the Caspian Sea region. All anyone need do is read Zbigniew Brzezinski's "The Grand Chessboard" or brush up on the Wolfowitz Doctrine to understand the not-so-hidden agenda behind U.S foreign policy. In recent appearance on Crossfire, Insight Magazine's Jamie Dettmer deftly addressed America's aim to control the oil fields in Iraq. "Nobody has suggested the United States is going into Iraq to control the oil," Tucker Carlson asserted, leaving some to wonder if Tucker's bow tie isn't too tight. "Let's not be unsophisticated about this," Dettmer replied, warning that, "in the end, if America doesn't restrain itself, [it's] going to provoke groupings of countries which will restrain America instead."

4) "Since September 11, George Bush has shown strong leaderships skills."

Since September 11, George Bush has led us away from progressive policies and alienated us from the rest of the world. British papers describe the biggest rift between Europe and the U.S. in more than 50 years, 85 percent of Germans no longer trust America, and veteran reporter Helen Thomas bemoans how, "friends and allies wonder what's happened to the United States." Our $7 trillion surplus has followed the president's example and gone AWOL, while unemployment, crime and intellectual numbness are on the rise. Under Bush's "leadership," the U.S. has become the kid who picks his nose in class. Those of us who love America are embarrassed; others are repulsed.

5) "Europeans don't agree with us because they're effete appeasers."

Europeans don't agree with us because we're wrong. They understand the geopolitical motivations behind this war, as their press isn't as censored. In America, however, stories about Enron's involvement in the proposed oil and gas pipeline though Afghanistan were squashed, and if you wanted to know about the Taliban's trip to Texas, you had to learn about it in the National Enquirer rather than on Meet the Press.

6) "George Bush's administration is filled with solid, foreign policy pros."

Aside from Colin Powell, George Bush's cabinet is swarming with neo-conservative ideologues who'd be clamoring for an attack on Iraq even if the atrocities of 9/11 hadn't occurred. Despite the chorus of countries opposed, Dick Cheney unilaterally forges ahead, while Donald Rumsfeld says he's certain America will receive backing from the international community. Meanwhile, the international community scratches its head and wonders what's become of our once great nation.

7) "George Bush is doing an excellent job in the war on terror."

Given limited media coverage, how would anyone know? Unless one digs through foreign press and alternative media reports, there's little to go by. When one reads reports from journalists like Seymour Hersh, however, a different picture emerges. Stability in Afghanistan is but a myth, warlords carry out atrocities without intervention, and the State Department is forced to guard President Karzai. Meanwhile, many warn that Bush's plans for Iraq could lead to Armageddon. Yet "Bush is doing an excellent job in the war on terror?" How?

8) "People who say the Bush administration 'let 9/11 happen' are conspiracy nuts."

Forget the president's odd behavior on September 11. Ignore that jets weren't scrambled from Andrews Airforce base, or that the FBI reportedly thwarted investigations. Pretend there are no connections between the Bushes, bin Ladens and the Saudis or that Bush #41 doesn't profit from this war through his connections with the Carlyle Group. Imagine, for a moment, it doesn't matter that those heading the closed-door investigation into 9/11 met twice with the former Pakistan intelligence chief, who reportedly helped finance Mohammed Atta. And never mind that, despite warnings, only 14 planes were defending our mainland on September 11. These oddities could be explained through coincidence and incompetence rather than complicity.

That said, remember this: After World War II, the CIA recruited Nazi scientists to share information later used in the aforementioned MK-Ultra program. In the '60s, the Pentagon drafted plans to kill American citizens and blame it on Castro as a pretext for war with Cuba. And Army-based concentration camps aren't merely a gleam in Ashcroft's eye. The brainwashed are conditioned to hear "conspiracy" and shut down, however, immediately deducing information isn't true and the messenger is daft. But even Bill Clinton reportedly asked Webster Hubbell to find answers to two questions: "One, who killed JFK? And, two, are there UFOs? " He never found out. And odds are we won't either. Even so, it's not crazy to demand an independent investigation into 9/11. Nor is it nuts to wonder why the administration is doing everything in its power to make certain we never uncover what went wrong.

9) "The media is liberal."

Ann Coulter complains about the liberal media through the "liberal media," where she's regularly given a forum, yet Michael Moore has appeared on less than a handful of shows, though his book's been a bestseller for six months. During the election, the corporately-controlled media portrayed Al Gore in a negative light, while touting Bush's phony ranch-hand charm, and according to a report in F.A.I.R (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting), 75 % of the dominant sources of opinion on all three major networks are Republican. Yet the brainwashed continue to believe the media has a liberal bias. Go figure.

10) "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction!"

This phrase has replaced, "Saddam gassed his own people!" as the #1 mantra of war-mongering dittoheads. But despite former weapons' inspector Scott Ritter's assertion that there's no proof Hussein has amassed weapons of mass destruction, Dick Cheney says there's "no doubt" he's got them and plans to use them. During the Cuban missile crisis, John F. Kennedy relayed photographic evidence proving the Soviet Union was up to no good. Where's the proof now? Why hasn't the administration won over our allies? Why do so many doubt there is "no doubt?"

Latest polls indicate that nearly half of all Americans believe the First Amendment "goes too far," proving that Stepford Citizen Syndrome is now a national crisis. We have an obligation to rouse our loved ones out of their stupor. If we don't, the thugs who've stolen America will steam-roll right over us. And if you can't see that, chances are, you're brainwashed.


 


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One word - C o r r u p t i o n

In third world countries, its obvious
In communist countries, its forced down their throats
In the USA, its there but p.c.-fied and mystified ...like a "pre-owned car" is a "used car".

Many liberals think Bush is a neo-fascist, conservatives see him as a savior.
Sorry, but he is neither a fascist nor a savior.

He isn't going to war for american citizens - sorry conservatives...he could care less about you and me.

He isn't going to war to subjugate islam...he has shown he is open to race and nationality, certainly not fascist qualities.

He is a cronyist, which is not much different from any other career politician...He is going to war to help himself and those close to him.

He, like Thaksin Shinawatra, like Ferdinand Marcos, like Suharto, simply want to advance their personal (money + power) interests.

I can't say there has been many a politican who didn't, but what is disturbing is the length at which he will go to obtain it.

*balance not bickering *


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