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Rei Ayanami00

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Resolved: The United States has an obligation to mitigate international conflicts.

This is an old Lincoln Douglas debate topic I debated this year. I'm interested in what you intelligent people have to say about it.


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Posts: 5 | Posted: 9:34 PM on May 24, 2004 | IP
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The United States has no such obligation or right to intervene in affairs which do not directly relate to the security of its citizens, or protection of its own soil.   Matters outside the United States' area of jurisdiction should only be handled by the United States if there is an extremely clear mandate from the international community.


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Posts: 16 | Posted: 11:45 PM on May 25, 2004 | IP
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Note: My writing this does not mean I disagree with you (or agree with you, for that matter). I am only trying to provoke you to think.

First of all, mitigation and intervention are two totally different things. Yes, when you mitigate you intervene, but intervening does not always mean you are mitigating. Mitigate means to lessen in severity or hostility.

Secondly, what about the butterfly effect? Our world is not that big. Surely something that effects one country will soon enough effect ours, possibly putting the lives of our citizens at danger. We should mitigate these conflicts before they boil over and spill into the United States. By waiting until conflicts come to the United States directly, you are merely sweeping all the problems under the rug. And sooner or later, the problems will be so big you can niether sweep them under the rug nor solve them. At that point, the United States has not upheld it's obligation to it's own people.

Third of all, What about in cases of mass genocide? Since genocide is usually carried out by a countries own militia and government, the chance of that country mandating a request for help, against themselves, is slim to none.

(Edited by Rei Ayanami00 5/29/2004 at 12:37 PM).


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Posts: 5 | Posted: 12:31 PM on May 29, 2004 | IP
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As you point out, there is a very fine line between mitigation and intervention.  Too often, the US has failed to distinguish between the two.  By choosing to mitigate in disputes, the US has often found themselves in a level of involvement which clearly exceeds their mandate and jurisdiction.

For this reason, the United States position will always be viewed with suspicion.  Its ability to mitigate disputes has been diminished, simply because there are many nations throughout the world that would consider any US influence as either hostile or self serving.  These are not the qualities of a good mitigator.

While most reasonable people can understand the frustration the US has had in seeking compliance to resolutions set by world representative organisations such as the United Nations, the world at large can never nominate the US alone as a country that represents the interests of the entire world.    Lets be honest with ourselves, the US cannot solve all the problems in the world, and in any case, no one has asked it to.  Furthermore, if the US wants to be viewed as "even handed", it needs to be extremely careful in issues that can be described as a conflict of interest.

Either way,  the US appears yet to understand that it cannot act alone.  Those countrys that defy international consensus on what is just need to be dealt with in a unified manner, otherwise the legitimacy of bodies like the UN will continue to be called into question.

If the US continues to "protect" it's own people through operations outside it's own soil, it does so knowing that it will be judged and held accountable for it's actions.  It must be remembered, that when the US acts outside it's borders, it not only has an obligation to it's own citizens, but the citizens of the territory it is occupying.   The US needs to ask itself if it can afford to take this action alone?

Acts of genocide do not automatically imply a mandate for US intervention.  If anything, they imply a mandate for World intervention.  All perpertrators of such horrific acts need to be tried before an international court, where other methods fail.  While the wheels of justice are currently turning too slowly in many parts of the world (including the US), countries like the US need to show a greater respect for international laws before they can expect everyone else to abide by them.


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I love you. Will you marry me?


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I think you should consider your true feelings before engaging in marriage.  I would be a terrible choice considering your ideal partner would obviously be a patriotic american.


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