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Gun Control....

Gun control is an issue that was never really discussed on a national level until after the Columbine High School massacre in 1999 in which Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and a teacher, as well as wounding 23 others before taking their own lives.  Since this tragedy gun control debates have heated up more and more climaxing with the recent shooting at Virginia Tech University where Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 students and wounded several others.  Since these tragic events students, parents, politicians, and school board officials have pointed a finger at gun control, arguing that these events took place because it is too easy for a person to acquire a gun with the current laws.  On top of these two large examples more arguments are made against guns due to accidental deaths and the climbing number of violent crimes in our country that involve firearms.  But there is a problem with the statistics used to argue against gun control, they are untrue.  In almost all cases the “facts” surrounding gun violence are media generated propaganda to fight against gun ownership.  The right to “keep and bear arms” is a right protected by the second amendment of the constitution.
Besides being protected by law gun ownership has shown in studies to be a crime deterrent not a cause.  Research shows that the 31 states in the United States that allow citizens to carry a concealed weapon have a 24% lower violent crime rate, a 19% lower murder rate, and a 39% lower armed robbery rate (Cato.org).  Guns are also used for more than just personal protection they can also be used to protect ones home and loved ones.  A Florida State University study shows that there are 800,000 to 2 million defensive gun uses per year by lawful citizens (guncite.com).  So making laws against gun ownership will hinder 800,000 to 2 million Americans a year, ability to protect themselves.  
Another fallacy about gun control is that thousands of children die annually in gun related accidents.  But according to an article on cato.org only 142 children under 15 years old die in gun accidents that data is from 1997.  The same data also says that the total number of gun relate deaths for this age group is 642.  The media also claim, when arguing against gun ownership, that 12 die per day from gun violence, but what the media doesn’t include is that the children they are talking about are people under the age of 20 years old, most of them dieing from gang related violence.  These facts are twisted to allow the media for form people’s ideas about gun control for them.  “Of 20 million middle-school and high-school students, fewer than a dozen have killed at school this year. Of 20,000 secondary schools nationwide, only about 10 have reported a murder on campus.  The school shootings by students over the last eight months killed 11 youths and six adults. That is fewer kids than, are murdered by parents; and fewer adults than are killed by partners, in just two days of household violence in the United States” (guncite.com).  The mass media attention that school shootings receive on a state and usually national level make in school violence out to be more of a problem than it actually is, subsequently blinding the nation to the facts about this issue.  These debates about gun control and violence in schools heated up in 1999 after the Columbine High School Massacre and then again earlier this year after the Virginia Tech Massacre.
It is ridiculous to argue that gun ownership in this country was the cause of the massacres at Columbine High School and Virginia Tech University.  The media portrayed Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold as being able to stockpile weapons easily and blamed gun laws for the deaths of the students, when in reality the two of the broke close to 20 gun laws while acquiring there stockpile of weapons (cato.org).  These same media inspired debates were reignited earlier this year when Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 students are Virginia Tech University.  The media as well as school officials and political advocates of gun control placed blame on state and national gun laws, stating that since Cho was diagnosed as mentally unstable he should not have been able to buy the handguns used in the shootings.   Cho passed all background checks required by the state of Virginia.  And acquired the guns used legally.  There are always going to be criminals that are going to commit crimes that will hurt people.  So law abiding citizens should have the ability and the means to protect themselves.  If the present gun control laws are to be modified how about eliminating “gun free” zones on college campus’s that prohibit everyone including faculty and professors from carrying a gun.  If professors on college campus’s were allowed to carry weapons or have them in the class room could that have prevented the Virginia Tech Massacre or at least lessened the severity?
So rather than punish and endanger citizens by restricting gun owner ship officials and the media should focus more of tightening security in schools both eliminating students bringing weapons to school and allowing teachers and professors to carry or have weapons in the classroom, instating stricter punishments for committing any crime to deter criminals instead of taking away a constitutionally protected right from all citizens.  It is unfair to the individuals that just own guns for protection, recreation, or both, especially when data from research shows that the use of a gun or just the potential use of a gun for self-defense is a highly effective crime deterrent.  Taking the right to bear arms away from the law abiding citizens of this country would be a crime in and of itself and should not and cannot be tolerated.

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Posts: 1 | Posted: 11:59 PM on December 9, 2008 | IP
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That was beautifully written and there's not a word that I disagree with.  ...With the possible exception that I thought the # of defensive handgun uses/year was around 2.5 million.  It's been good to hear of some campuses, both high school and college, adapting to have armed and trained faculty on site.  I wish this would catch on.  In addition, I do advocate stringent training in regard to armed personnel on any campus.


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Posts: 9 | Posted: 08:07 AM on May 15, 2009 | IP
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Bravo

I do think that it is hard to factually state the total number of "defensive" uses of a gun is simply because so much of it goes unreported.  With no one getting shot at.
 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 6:20 PM on June 18, 2009 | IP
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In Australia in 1996 a guy went on a rampage and killed over 30 people. After that they decided to tighten gun laws. That doesn't mean people can't own guns. You just have to apply for a licence, do a short gun handling course, apply for a permit before you buy and gun and you have to state a reason for buying a gun, and self defense does not count as a decent reason.

I like it like that. I feel safer not having guns around.

If a guy came around to your house with a gun, you'd want a gun to protect yourself, which is fair enough. If neither of you had a gun, there wouldn't be a problem (maybe a punch-up, but that doesn't usually end as bad as a gun fight).

I don't think we should blame guns for the death of the Columbine victims, but I do think it would be better if it was harder for the two dudes to get hold of guns.

 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 12:05 AM on November 4, 2009 | IP
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Quote from Bubblies at 12:05 AM on November 4, 2009 :
In Australia in 1996 a guy went on a rampage and killed over 30 people. After that they decided to tighten gun laws. That doesn't mean people can't own guns. You just have to apply for a licence, do a short gun handling course, apply for a permit before you buy and gun and you have to state a reason for buying a gun, and self defense does not count as a decent reason.

I like it like that. I feel safer not having guns around.

If a guy came around to your house with a gun, you'd want a gun to protect yourself, which is fair enough. If neither of you had a gun, there wouldn't be a problem (maybe a punch-up, but that doesn't usually end as bad as a gun fight).

I don't think we should blame guns for the death of the Columbine victims, but I do think it would be better if it was harder for the two dudes to get hold of guns.



You might feel "safer without guns around" but the fact is that you aren't.  Do you really think violent people are prevented from owning guns because we pass laws about it?  We've passed laws against murder and that sure didn't make us any safer now did it?  Remember the two guys who shop up the Bank of America in Hollywood with AK-47s?  Full-automatic, military grade AKs that were never part of any legal gun transaction in this country; yet somehow they had them anyway.

You can't make people who hold the law in contempt obey the law by passing more laws.





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Posts: 1 | Posted: 12:58 PM on December 6, 2009 | IP
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Gun control???

Remember to use steady breaths, and slowly "squeeze" the  trigger, don't pull or yank it. And slowly exhale as you are squeezing the trigger.

That, and plenty of practice!


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Posts: 7 | Posted: 09:25 AM on May 26, 2010 | IP
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We've had 3 high profile murders in our area the past 2 years. Lots of others not as publicized. 2 were in gun free zones. All 3 were by thugs that should have been in prison already. I never hear gun control advocates mention parole absconders, repeat offenders and the number of sex offenders out and around. In fact, many of the GC advocates are also against the death penalty. I've heard some argue against life sentences too. They are not realistic.



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Posts: 2 | Posted: 2:51 PM on May 28, 2010 | IP
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Quote from Bubblies at 4:05 PM on November 3, 2009 :
In Australia in 1996 a guy went on a rampage and killed over 30 people. After that they decided to tighten gun laws. That doesn't mean people can't own guns. You just have to apply for a licence, do a short gun handling course, apply for a permit before you buy and gun and you have to state a reason for buying a gun, and self defense does not count as a decent reason.

I like it like that. I feel safer not having guns around.

If a guy came around to your house with a gun, you'd want a gun to protect yourself, which is fair enough. If neither of you had a gun, there wouldn't be a problem (maybe a punch-up, but that doesn't usually end as bad as a gun fight).

I don't think we should blame guns for the death of the Columbine victims, but I do think it would be better if it was harder for the two dudes to get hold of guns.



Australia has since banned guns entirely, spending millions of dollars in the process of collecting and destroying guns. Now the 600 million dollar question, did it work?

Short answer no, crime in general, especially violent crime has since skyrockted. Murders are up, assaults are up, robbery is up, etc. Want to take three guesses why this is so?

Because no one is able to defend themselves. If only the criminals have guns, then they win, they get their way. If citizens are allowed to have guns, then they win, and usually much more often than the criminals.

As to self defense not being a valid reason, well thats not a country worth living in.

As to someone coming to your house and you being armed, thats a good thing, you'll end the situation in the way YOU want to, not in the way the bad guy wants to.

Get rid of the guns, now the bad guy wins. Even if you could prevent the bad guy from having a gun, he will get four of his friends to come with him and now you are five on one, bet you wish you had a gun now.

Yes, guns are a tool that can kill people, but don't forget that by so doing what you need to do, you can not only take a life you can save a life also.

Best regards



(Edited by avdrummerboy 5/31/2010 at 7:23 PM).


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Posts: 2 | Posted: 7:21 PM on May 31, 2010 | IP
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OK, let us for a moment take your claims about guns = safety at face value.

The homocide rate in the US is FAR higher than pretty much any of its first world peers. More than Double that of Canada, and quadruple the Western European Average. Yet all those nations have incredibly strict gun control laws.

Yet your claim seems to be that, if the US had gun control, the murder rate in the US would be even HIGHER than it is now.


So perhaps you could explain why it is that Americans are so incredibly murderous, if guns have nothing to do with it?


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 07:34 AM on July 14, 2010 | IP
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I do think that there's still a lot more to this argument. Gun control stats prove that when the regulations kick in - less murders actually happen, especially the accidental one.

For me, personally, the whole argument could simply be described by this picture:


(Edited by nikkdagger 9/17/2014 at 09:06 AM).


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