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Oh, heres the Gun Supply Myth.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvsupp.html


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Posts: 202 | Posted: 2:38 PM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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Oooh, and gun accidents with kids. Excellent chart if you scroll down a bit.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvacci.html


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Accident Type Age
0-4 5-14 15-24 25-44 45-64 65-74 75+ Total
All Automobile 900 1,500 10,500 13,300 9,200 2,700 4,900 43,000
Falls 70 70 210 950 1,900 1,700 11,300 16,200
Poisoning by solids, liquids 60 40 800 6,800 3,200 300 500 11,700
Pedestrian1 250 300 750 1,300 1,400 450 850 5,300
Drowning 450 350 700 1,250 650 230 270 3,900
Fires, burns 400 260 240 700 800 500 700 3,600
Suffocation by ingested object 100 20 30 250 400 500 2,100 3,400
Firearms 20 60 150 190 110 30 40 600
Poisoning by gases, vapors 10 10 70 120 80 40 70 400
All other causes 700 400 1,100 3,000 3,200 1,600 4,500 14,500
TOTAL 2,700 2,700 13,800 26,600 19,500 7,600 24,400 97,300




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That was a bit messy, but you can probably figure it out.


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Posts: 202 | Posted: 2:42 PM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 12:17 PM on January 2, 2003 :
ok everyone!! maynard just admitted that kids are not being taught about how to use guns!!! oh wait, in the other "logic" forum he said that kids are smart enough to know how to use guns. so which maynard should we listen to?


explain to me where you are confused?  yes, kids are not being taught by their parents, and yes i believe they are smart enough to know better when they are taught, so were is your confusion coming from?



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Posts: 270 | Posted: 4:51 PM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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Quote from sourbubblegum at 11:52 AM on January 2, 2003 :
i have witnessed more incidents where people have used guns to kill or there was an accident and someone was killed or wounded. i have never witnessed an incident where a gun was used to stop a burglar. I think guns can be used to keep people safe but it happens far less.



where did you witness this?  less then a week ago you didnt even know that people other then police and crimals even carried guns.  has there been a outbreak of gun deaths where you live in the last week?


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Posts: 270 | Posted: 4:53 PM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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Quote from sourbubblegum at 08:34 AM on January 2, 2003 :
Yeah it isnt the guns fault its the people. But if guns werent there im sure it wouldnt cause as much harm. Do you honestly think all parents are going to teach their kids about guns? No. So that problems still remains unsolved.



That is irresponsible firearm ownership.

When you learn to drive, do your folks just give you the keys and say, "good luck".  Nope, hopefully they make sure you get good instruction.

Responsible firearms ownership is child proofing your guns.   Plus gun proofing your kids.  Children need to be taught to fear and respect firearms.

Irresponsible actions have can have tragic consequences.  As adults you have to ready to suffer consequences of your own bad decisions.

(Edited by kelvin90703 1/2/2003 at 6:38 PM).

(Edited by kelvin90703 1/2/2003 at 6:40 PM).
 


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Pie the chart that you posted shows that there are alot of accidents with kids and guns in the home.

Maynard- i have seen 2 times where some1 has been killed from guns. And none have i heard of where guns have helped to save their lives.

Yeah if parents teach their kids about guns and how to use them they have a less chance of accidently shooting themselves or something else. but it doesnt mean any parent will teach their kids about guns. They havent yet been so what makes you think things will change? im sure they will continue hiding them.


(Edited by sourbubblegum 1/2/2003 at 10:48 PM).


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Posts: 85 | Posted: 10:47 PM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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I have seen (and known) people who have died in car accidents. Some of these were caused by drunk people, some by bad drivers. Should we outlaw cars simply because they can be used to kill people?


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 11:38 PM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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Quote from sourbubblegum at 10:47 PM on January 2, 2003 :

im sure they will continue hiding them.

(Edited by sourbubblegum 1/2/2003 at 10:48 PM).


If parents just hide them.  That is stupid and irresponsible.  Again I repeat the Constitution does not owe it to stupid parents to protect thier children.

 


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Resposible behavior sometimes is deciding that a firearm in the home is too dangerous, and not having one.

Responsible behavor could be having a firearm in the home and child proofing the gun, and gun proofing the child.

In both cases that was an individual decision.  Both sides can call them good or bad decisions.  I don't care.  The most important point here is the individual makes his/her own decision and will suffer the consequences or benefit for thier decision.

When you pass a law taking away guns.  You give up your right to make the decision to the government.  The govenment deciding your destiny is always a bad idea.  Think of all the blood that was shed that so you could decide things for yourself.  Now your just throwing it away.  Such a shame.
 


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I guess that i just think not having guns in the home would reduce the amount of accidents if a kid or someone gets hold of the gun. Yes parents should teach their kids about the guns and hide it to where they can and will not get to it. But not everyone does and the accidents still happen. I guess that it is just as dangerous to have a gun in your home as it is safe.



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sourbubblegum

I have to respect that.  Here is the very hart of this debate.  It is freedom of choice.

Guncontrol to prevent sucides?  No.  Taking away guns does not stop depression.

Guncontrol to stop accidents with children.  No.  Unless you want the govenment to decide that for you.  

Guncontrol to stop felons from getting guns.  No.  It does a poor job of keeping guns away from people who shouldn't have them.  A good job of taking them away from peacefull people.

Guncontrol to stop crime?  No.  Crime is about more deeper social issues: poverty, education, economics, and violence.

Don't let anti-gunners distract you from the real issue.  If you really belive in the right to decide things for yourself, then you will also not let these people get away with their agenda because it hurts all of us and our right to choose.

Whew!!!  My moment on the soapbox!!
 


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"Pie the chart that you posted shows that there are alot of accidents with kids and guns in the home. " It shows that there are few deaths via firearm as compared to the other methods. Why don't you supposrt getting those out of the way?

"I guess that it is just as dangerous to have a gun in your home as it is safe. " 'Tis dangerous for the ignorant.




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Posts: 202 | Posted: 12:55 AM on January 4, 2003 | IP
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Quote from sourbubblegum at 10:10 PM on January 3, 2003 :
But not everyone does and the accidents still happen. I guess that it is just as dangerous to have a gun in your home as it is safe.




so instead of pushing for programs to help educate people, would would rather have more gun control laws, to try to take away our rights?



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Posts: 270 | Posted: 6:08 PM on January 4, 2003 | IP
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More education IS THE KEY! Without proper respect and knowledge, Horrible things will continue to happen. Ig those little kids found out that playfully pointing daddys gun at brother would turn his face into a fine red mist, they would obviously not do it.


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Having guns in your house is safer than not.  If people would read the facts they would know that each year guns are used by law abiding citizen for protection about 2.4 million times.  This means 6,575 times a day.  That is 60 times more than in negative ways.
 


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Ohio is debating Allowing Concealed weapons... I propose we Allow everyone to walk into State legislature armed with loaded guns and also to enter court rooms with loaded guns.

Let's see if they Judges and Legislative parties want to experience what the Gas Station and Pizza Shop owners have to experience at their places of work.

BAN ALL GUNS!!!

 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 10:23 PM on March 10, 2003 | IP
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One question!  Would you want to be unarmed when an armed intruder comes into your home when you are sleeping and kills you and your family??
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 10:44 PM on March 26, 2003 | IP
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fact remains that America has more guns than any other country and more gun deaths than any other country

Are you honestly that dumb? Cause I have to doubt anyone is this stupid! For example the state of illinois issues concealed weapons permits, if I'm not mistaken it requires a class (similiar to drivers education) that teaches safe and responsible use of guns. Crime in Illinois has plummeted.

Secondly, criminals are already banned from Guns. YOu can't buy a gun from a liscnesed dealer if you have a criminal record, which means criminals aquire their guns illegally. Banning weapons is only going to take guns out of the hands of people who are going to use them responsibly. Don't you see that?


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ouch, you just called me really stupid, that must hurt (sarcasm, if you couldn't tell).  And stop trying to refut my argument by using specific examples, wow in Illinois crime has fallen, I believe I was talking about America.  America still has more gun deaths per 1000 people than any other nation.  We are also the only nation were guns are an institutionalized fundamental right.  You might say its a coincidence but I have a hard time believing that.
Criminals get there guns illegally of course, but they mostly get there guns from the black market, a black market that had to have started somewhere, so guns have to be leaking through the cracks of law enforcemnt to criminals hands.  The gun control side doesn't want to take away all guns we just want them regulated so that responsible owners own them and irresponsible ones don't.  And also to regulate them sufficiently that ciminals can't get a hold of them and if it takes you waiting an extra 5 days to buy a gun to keep one out of a criminals hands, don't expect me to cry for you.


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So why does the "good guy" always have to wait?

"Criminals get there guns illegally of course, but they mostly get there guns from the black market, a black market that had to have started somewhere, so guns have to be leaking through the cracks of law enforcemnt to criminals hands. "

Remember this part...

" The gun control side doesn't want to take away all guns we just want them regulated so that responsible owners own them and irresponsible ones don't.  And also to regulate them sufficiently that ciminals can't get a hold of them and if it takes you waiting an extra 5 days to buy a gun to keep one out of a criminals hands, don't expect me to cry for you."

How will that work if weapons come across the border ilegally....only the good guys will go through the BS to get their firearms while the criminals get them smuggled into the country and NEVER do ANY paperwork on them.  

You still have not show any way to STOP the criminals from getting them...as you said before they get them ILEGALLY...why would they even attempt to fill out the paperwork KNOWING they would get caught?

Your proposal would ONLY affect the law abiding citizen NOT the criminal.
 


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I was talking about loop holes in the gun purchasing laws that allow people with dubious records to get away with buying guns.  If no one had to do paperwork then criminals would have no trouble getting any type of arms they wanted.
"why would they even attempt to fill out the paperwork KNOWING they would get caught?" Nnow you see my point.  If they knew it was fruitless to try to buy guns then the laws would work and they wouldn't buy guns here.  Then sure they might have to go across the border to puchase guns but it would be much more difficult and less succesful for them.  The harder it is to get guns the less guns they will have.  Of course it wont eliminate all guns in the hands of criminals.  it will just reduce them. which is better than what we have now.


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Criminals don't have problems getting guns now and it has nothing to do with "so-called" loopholes (would you care to name some?) .

Criminals get weapons that are smuggled across the border or are stolen, the background check only keeps "good" citizens from getting their firearm right then when they may need it the most.
 


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I'd have to say no, a gun in the home does not by the virtue of being there make the home safer. A responsible and well-trained person who has a gun makes wherever they are safer.



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