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Its late at night and you wake realizing that your house is being broken into. there are at least two gunmen.  you have two little girls in seprate rooms down the hall and a wife with you.  You know you have a shotgun your dad gave with some ammunition in the closet.  You have only 30 sec to decide before one of your dauters is either raped or killed what do you do?


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Posts: 97 | Posted: 12:52 AM on May 8, 2005 | IP
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Grab the shotgun...duh. But that doesn't mean i condone the ownership of that gun - it's what i would use if i had the opportunity. If i didn't, i would grab maybe, oh i dunno, a baseball bat? That scenario certainly points out that in certain situations, a gun would be handy.

But i can't say that i see that happening to me on a regular basis - how about locking your doors at night? Security alarm? Burglar-proof glass on windows? I'd say prevention is a lot better than the supposed 'solution' of a gun.  
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 02:35 AM on May 8, 2005 | IP
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That's an interesting situation.

--What if you're at a anti-gun cult and someone suddenly slips an (let us say, unloaded) gun into your pocket when your aren't looking? The gun falls out and everyone at the anti-gun cult gasps. Then they begin to yell, and say "BURN BURN BURN." Then they tie you up and burn you. All because you had a gun. :--)

The situation you provided is just as irrational as the one I have provided.

I agree with K8 --Prevention is more significant.

(Edited by Box of Fox 5/11/2005 at 2:59 PM).
 


Posts: 85 | Posted: 10:42 PM on May 10, 2005 | IP
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Quote from skins38 at 12:52 AM on May 8, 2005 :
Its late at night and you wake realizing that your house is being broken into. there are at least two gunmen.  you have two little girls in seprate rooms down the hall and a wife with you.  You know you have a shotgun your dad gave with some ammunition in the closet.  You have only 30 sec to decide before one of your dauters is either raped or killed what do you do?


Actually what the zealots for antigun would do is this:

Scene starts at the hospital bed of raped daughter or funeral site of killed daughter. The antigun zealot says Thanks for your sacrifice so I could remain true to my convictions and refuse to use a gun.





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Posts: 196 | Posted: 07:58 AM on May 11, 2005 | IP
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you're all optimism, aren't you?
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 02:22 AM on May 12, 2005 | IP
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Quote from K8 at 02:22 AM on May 12, 2005 :
you're all optimism, aren't you?


You mean "Boy, you see the whole picture don't you?"  My response "Yes!"





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Posts: 196 | Posted: 08:39 AM on May 12, 2005 | IP
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How can you see the whole picture when you can see nothing but the bible!


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 11:35 AM on May 12, 2005 | IP
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Quote from unworthy servant at 08:39 AM on May 12, 2005 :
Quote from K8 at 02:22 AM on May 12, 2005 :
you're all optimism, aren't you?


You mean "Boy, you see the whole picture don't you?"  My response "Yes!"





yes, i do. and with the same sarcasm, too.

 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 06:04 AM on May 13, 2005 | IP
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Actually, and believe me I am NO huge fan of his posts but, that was one of the few times I have ever heard an idea that was his own come from Unworthy's keyboard. There was no scripture or anything, I'm proud of you. There may be some hope yet.
And cynical as his post was it does actually have an element of truth to it. It may well be that the poor child is in fact dead or hospitalized because of the right of their guardian not to bear arms to defend against predators.
We must remember that we are here to debate the issues and not banter back and forth, our goal here is to open each others minds not close our own.
Believe me K8 and Peter87, I thoroughly enjoy your posts and even find my own opinions changed sometimes by them, please do not sink to the level of some others who do not post for the sake of knowledge.


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Posts: 41 | Posted: 10:40 PM on May 17, 2005 | IP
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I sunk to that level conciously, but i wasn't proud of it. I'd obviously had a bad day

Basically, i just see prevention (e.g. security alarms, locking doors, etc.) as a far safer and more effective response to crime (e.g. home invaders such as in the scenario). Prevention is ALWAYS better than a 'cure'.

I realise i'm a little out of touch with the situation, living in an area of very low crime (I assume, anyway...). I suppose i just can't imagine requiring something so extreme as a gun to protect me/my family. It seems too extreme to me...
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 01:52 AM on May 18, 2005 | IP
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I have all those preventive measures, but if they still got in...grab the shotgun and kill them right on the spot... that is what self defense and the castle doctrine is all about..

no if's and no but's about it....defense of my family and home first...

there are going to be those that say oh the bad guy has rights....not after he has crossed the line and endangered my family he does not...he enters ...he takes his own life in his hands... no exceptions unless they stop and offer no hostile intent....if they stop they are down and can wait for the police to walk them out the door, and if hostile intent is demonstrated..the samw police can carry their carcass out the door.... either way works well enough for me..


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Posts: 58 | Posted: 11:41 AM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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k8,

Lets assume that the bad guy kicks in the door, the alarm goes off, and he realizes that he has up to 30 minutes until the police arrive. A very likely scenario. Untold harm to you and your family could be done in those thirty minutes.


But since your such an advocate of prevention over solution, think about why the right to keep and bear arms was included in the bill of rights. An armed society is the best PREVENTION for governmental tyranny.  Citizens were guaranteed the right to bear arms to keep the government in check. That is probably the most large scale example of "prevention" there is.
 


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I would do anything and everything to protect my family and myself.  Prevention is always a must but it does have its limits.  In Australia we have lots of South African migrants who, whilst living in South Africa, would have every preventetive measure applied to their houses and still have guns ready in the event of a break in.  Here in Australia break ins are generally targeted at the elderly, especially old single women, women you would call grandmother.  Mostly its just for theft but they do get bashed and raped on some occasions.  Just shows how the criminal mind targets easy prey.  Our laws prevent you from shooting intruders as it can be seen as excessive force.  People here have gone to jail for shooting intruders who were only armed with rusty screwdrives or tools which could be used as weapons.  You could have all the preventive measures in place and have guns at the ready but if the law doesn't back you up then you are on your own and become an invitation to criminals.
 


Posts: 16 | Posted: 03:25 AM on April 18, 2007 | IP
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Quote from K8 at 02:35 AM on May 8, 2005 :

But i can't say that i see that happening to me on a regular basis - how about locking your doors at night? Security alarm? Burglar-proof glass on windows? I'd say prevention is a lot better than the supposed 'solution' of a gun.  


Wow! And we hardly lock our doors!  And people think that gun owners are paranoid!!!  Burgler alarms, bullet proof glass!!!

Though... my 'plan' is'nt to go for the gun.  It's locked and i don't want to fumble in the sleepy dark with locks or guns.  

The 'family' plan is to run to the master bedroom.  We replaced the interior door with an exterior and a bolt lock.  The kids can hide in the bathroom, i have a few minutes to think (the best weapon) and call the cops.  That way i might scare someone off, and if they're a nut, they don't get my family if i miss a shot in the dark or shoot a drunk neighbor in the wrong house etc...
If someone hacks through the bedroom door with an axe, well, that's a seperate issue.

 Either way, my first choice isn't to shoot.  That's the last choice.
If it's truly life or death of my family, no laws matter to me, no morality or law can be more important than the lives of the innocent and be just.

 


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Has anyone ever heard of anything called supply and demand. If so, you should also know that there is a correlation between those two. When there is more demand to guns, there will be more in production, thus some of the guns that will be manufactured will end up in the hands of people who will be the ones that break in to your house. Then you will need to buy another one to protect yourself. And that will be the start of a paradox cycle. Do not forget that we should be trying to get rid of guns, not to find excuses to spread them around. Read this article if you want to see how much crazier this can go: http://www.bgctoday.com/2007/07/machine-guns-for-better-future.htmlhttp://www.bgctoday.com/2007/07/machine-guns-for-better-future.html BGC TODAY
 


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