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Peter87

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Hey just wondering why you guys think there is such a problem with gun crime? I mean it is not repeated in such a scale anywhere else in the world.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 09:46 AM on May 31, 2005 | IP
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Well the problem isnt really the guns, its more of society being let off easily.  People don't do real time for crimes they commit, parents don't want to be responsible for their kids anymore they expect everyone else to do that for them, our culture is a violent one, since the beginning of the U.S.  These things contribute to crime not an object.  People will still keep killing people not matter whether they ban guns or not.
 


Posts: 11 | Posted: 12:28 AM on June 6, 2005 | IP
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but advancing the notion that they have a right to own a deadly weapon can't be helping.
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 03:04 AM on June 6, 2005 | IP
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I always see this violent nation argument, but it's not realy any more violent than that of the major european countries.

Ok so americas violent past, I'll compare this to the past of Brtain.
The fight for independance - That was against britain (No points there)
Violence against the natives - No direct comparison
The civil war - Many countrys britain included had civil wars
World War 1 and 2 - Even more so in europe.
But then Britain also had - centuraies of pagen inta clan warfare.
Roman invasion
Anglo-saxon invasion
Viking invasion
Norman invasion
100 year war with france
colonial wars, by which I mean combat with the natives, of america, australia, south africa etc. I mean we took over half the world, don't tell me we did it with peace marchs.

So that takes out the history aspect.
If you were however refering to modern day culture, thats of films, TV, music, computer games etc, we have all the same violent games as you.
The sentences for crime are relativly the same, although we don't have the death penalty, infact from those stats you stated somewhere else we have high conviction rates, high sentences and higher crime rates, iether sentencing doesn't help or those statistics were incorect. People have the same relative upbringings in both countries.

But England on the whole doesn't have a gun problem, yes in some city's gun crime is on the rise, but with an increase in population and population density, an increase in crime is almost inevitable.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 2:17 PM on June 6, 2005 | IP
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The problem is that when the government steps in to try to aleviate the problem, the citizens get all upset that the government isn't doing it's job by protecting the peoples' rights. Even though the government is trying to protect one of the inalienable rights; Life. No, guns are not an inalienable right.

If you are so determined to protect yourself from criminals then buy non lethal weapons that incapacitate the intruder, rubber bullets, tranquilizers, etc. Because if you kill someone who might have killed you, aren't you no better off than the criminal. The law decides who lives and who dies, not someone with a handgun. We don't live in a fend for yourself country, we have a police force. (I have to admit that the police are inefficient because there is so much protocol to do, in the U.K. the cops just do whatever they can to stop you, they also don't use guns unless they are part of a tactical unit)


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 5:58 PM on June 6, 2005 | IP
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Your right, guns are not an inalienable right, self-defense is. If you take something that can be used for self-defense away aren't you denying that right? Its like if someone said "lets make all respirators illegal." Isn't that denying life?

If someone is high on drugs are way out of it rubber bullets and tranquilizers won't work, tasers would be useful, but one shot is all you get.  Besides I have seen the effects of gun control first hand, living in a state which has strict gun laws.  Now they have outlawed tasers and several other ways to defend one's self.  So what is one to do? Oh, thats right call the police! I'm sorry, but the police can only do so much and are also no experts in firearms, as has been demonstrated in a recent shooting of an unarmed man. Yes I will SURELY depend on them.

Our nation is violent, but it is not the video games, the violent movies etc. It is people who choose to do nothing to stop it, or rather wish to see it.  They think everything is fine and dandy, while blaming something else for their problems, i.e guns, drugs, violent video games, Marilyn Manson cds, etc.

You know Europe may have a nice life there, and if they wish to have no guns fine with me, it really doesn't affect me. It is when people say your nation this and that, you guys kill other too much blah blah, when in fact they don't know the real truth.  Facts are facts, gun control does not contribute significantly to reduce crime. Even the CDC of the U.S has stated that, yet we still have people who say "hey look at Europe. They have gun control and low crime rates." but it isn't really the gun control that is contributing to its success.

Again with notion a lawful person with a gun is a violent, unpredictable person. That is completely false.  Gun owners are not extremists, they are everyday normal joe's.  The U.S. has at least half its households with firearms, with at least 150 million people with guns that are owned lawfully.  Yet those 150 million people don't kill themselves as much as has been exggaerated.  Our murder rates are the lowest since the 30's (during prohibition how odd?)  The media has also potrayed a negative look at this.  When was the last time you heard in  your local 7'0clock  news talking about someone using their guns for self-defense (despite their being an awful lot, even with not firing a  single shot)? Not a lot, but when something like the Columbine shooting comes out, wooohooo they sure make a big deal don't they?
 


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Why? because guns are legal in certain states. There should be a federal ban on guns and only law enforcement should have access to guns.


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 7:19 PM on June 27, 2005 | IP
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A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is
700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians

per year are

120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician

is

0.171.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of

Health Human Services.

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Now think about this:

Guns:

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S.

is

80,000,000.

(Yes, that's 80 million..)

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(B) The number of accidental gun deaths

per year, all age groups,

is

1,500.

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(C) The number of accidental deaths

per gun owner

is

.000188.

Statistics courtesy of FBI

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So, statistically, doctors are approximately

9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

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Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

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FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,

BUT

ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

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Please alert your friends

to this

alarming threat.

We must ban doctors

before this gets completely out of hand!!!

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Out of concern for the public at large,

I have withheld the statistics on

lawyers

for fear the shock would cause

people to panic and seek medical attention.



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Posts: 1 | Posted: 8:19 PM on August 2, 2005 | IP
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The right to bear arms stems from the right to self-defence, yes. Citizens therfor have a right to own any defensive weapon (including but no limited to: Handguns, rifles, shotguns, assault rifles, .50 calibre rifles, explosives)

The second amendment itself was not writen to defend the right to self-defence, it was writen so that the citizens would have the firepower to overthrow the government if it became tyrannical. So yes (because I know a lot of people claim otherwise) assault rifles are protected by the 2nd amendment.
 


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