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Here are two videos.  While watching each, picture that the female in the car is your wife or daughter, or both.

http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/81816/

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/beatasnitch.html


 


Posts: 55 | Posted: 01:00 AM on April 25, 2006 | IP
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Ok, in both cases people in cars versus unarmed (or a crowbar at most) people.  If they weren't willing to run the idiots over to protect themselves, what makes you think they'd have used a gun?  I really like the brave guy that opened his doors so that they could beat the girl to death instead of scratching his ride.  Proud day for America.


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The funny thing about a car is that it only works in two directions, forward and backwards.  I suspect the woman in the blue PT cruiser would have run over that guy if she could have, but she was stuck in grid-lock traffic and the guy was smart enough to stand on the side of the car rather than directly in front or behind.  In the other video, the woman is in the backseat and doesn't have the car keys.  That makes it hard to "run the idiots over."  Even if she was driving, she would likely be running over people that were just standing around rather than the ones actually reaching through her windows, assaulting her.

Just thought you might want to consider some real-world situations in your debate to deprive law abiding citizens of their means of self defense.  
 


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Actually the guy was in front and in back of her car at least twice each.  Love the way all the gun toting citizens came to her rescue as well.  

As for the second lady, how many people were in that mob?  How many do you think were packing?  You think she really had a chance?  Her best chance was the "gentleman" (yeah, right) in the front of the car who should've driven out of there as fast as he could, and to heck with the pedestrians.  Instead, Mr. Knight in shining armor gets out of the car and, when he realizes his precious ride is going to get hurt, opens the doors so she can be beaten to death.  Idiot probably would've shot her himself if he thought it would save him a paint job.


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talking to someone like you is useless.  WHAT CHANCE DID SHE HAVE IN WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED???  None.  That woman was probably beaten to death, or at a minimum required months of rehabilitative therapy to walk again.  The fact of the matter is that having the capability of self defense is valuable.


 


Posts: 55 | Posted: 10:58 AM on April 25, 2006 | IP
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And having a gun and pulling it in that mob probably would've sealed her death.  You can't ignore that.


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Quote from EMyers at 11:09 AM on April 25, 2006 :
And having a gun and pulling it in that mob probably would've sealed her death.  You can't ignore that.


people like you can convince themselves of anything.

the women is in a car, at the point that the mob breaks the windows and begins reaching in to drag her out by her hair, she could have drawn a concealed weapon.  I guarentee you this would but a second thought in the minds of the attackers.  If not, you can fire a warning shot.  Guns are extremely loud, and this would have a very high probability of causing the mob to panic and run.  If not, that is when you start considering further options.

you absolutely can not say, definitively, that a person being attacked by a mob will always be killed if they attempt to defend themselves with concealed weapon.  There is a chance it could make the situation worse, but this depends on the skill and careful action of the victim.

 


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And you obviously grew up on a nice quiet street where people will run if they see someone with a gun.  In my neighborhood, everyone else will just pull theirs.  You have a higher chance of surviving when you do not pull a gun.  Period.


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so might as well go easy instead of going down fighting huh?
 


Posts: 35 | Posted: 5:32 PM on April 29, 2006 | IP
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No, but if I fight unarmed, then the people I'm fighting are less likely (in my experience) to feel the need to pull a gun.  There is some honor left among gangs, and they respect someone who doesn't need to hide behind a gun (doesn't mean they aren't willing to pull one themselves, just that if you don't pull yours they are less likely to pull theirs).  I can't attest to what your experience has been.


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Quote from EMyers at 8:39 PM on April 29, 2006 :
No, but if I fight unarmed, then the people I'm fighting are less likely (in my experience) to feel the need to pull a gun.  There is some honor left among gangs, and they respect someone who doesn't need to hide behind a gun (doesn't mean they aren't willing to pull one themselves, just that if you don't pull yours they are less likely to pull theirs).  I can't attest to what your experience has been.


so in a thirty to one situation, you die from fists, not bullets- that must make you feel better.

 


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In a thirty to one fight where everyone pulls there gun, what chance do you have?  My chances of survival are better without a gun.


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you must be one hell of a hard-ass if you could fight off a crowd of that size and that anger level by yourself. can you honestly say that that women was going to have any chance of defending herself?  
if I was in that situation, and with a gun, I would use it to either threaten to wreck the car  my self if the driver didn't get some backbone and drive on out of there, or fight my way to the drivers seat, and drive out by myself.
 


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In that situtation it honestly would not have mattered if she had a gun.  She was dead as soon as the mob decided she was dead.  If she pulled a gun, she just would've died quicker.  And other innocent bystanders might have been killed by stray bullets.  How many times have we seen some little child get shot while sleeping in bed because a bunch of idiots with guns decide to shoot at each other in a residential area.  Guns are not the answer.


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Quote from EMyers at 1:53 PM on April 30, 2006 :
 How many times have we seen some little child get shot while sleeping in bed because a bunch of idiots with guns decide to shoot at each other in a residential area.  Guns are not the answer.

good question. how many? if it so bad, then it should be pretty easy to get the number. the fact that you are asking me shows that you yourself doesn't know.
 


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Actually, the fact that it is so bad is why a number doesn't come easily to mind.  If it were just a few we could answer it off the top of our heads.

From 1998 to 2003, 1169 children 19 and under were accidentally shot to death in the United States.  During that same time 5892 committed suicide with a firearm.  11,373 were murdered with a firearm.  Another 464 were undetermined (in other words, can't tell if it was an accident or suicide).  In only 6 years 18,898 children were killed by firearms within the United States that were not involved in war.  That's over 3100 each year.  More than eight and a half each day.  Now, in a world where EVERYONE was carrying a gun, do you think that number would go up or down?  Seriously.


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what consitutes a child? many gun control advocates consider anyone below twenty years old a "child", so a 19 year old drug dealer  shot by a compeditor is considered a child gun death. if one defines child as under 14, the number falls to 2.6 per day.
anyways, the statisics that you posted say nothing about what you asked in you last post. Maybe I should refresh your memory:
Quote from EMyers at 1:53 PM on April 30, 2006 :
 How many times have we seen some little child get shot while sleeping in bed because a bunch of idiots with guns decide to shoot at each other in a residential area.


Now answer it, because I would like to know. don't tell me how many children die from suicide or accedental discharges. I want to know how many children die from stray bullets from gang fights in residential areas.
 


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While no government agency keeps comprehensive records of stray bullets, one can make certaing assumptions based on some known facts.  For instance, in New York ALONE 40 people were killed by stray bullets in 1990.  In Puerto Rico 23 people were killed by stray bullets over a two day period.  While I do not have a definitive answer (and, of course, I was the one who asked you) all I have to do is throw down a quick google of children killed by stray bullet to come up with 289,000 hits.  Obviously not every one of these is a separate incident, but how many dead children of stray bullets is an acceptable number anyway?

On a side note, it was earlier posted somewhere on this forum about how much more dangerous it is in coutries with "no gun" laws.  In 1998 11,789 people in the United States were murdered by handguns.  In Great Britain and Wales combined there were 54.  Before you write that off as the difference in size of the population... GB+W equals roughly 1/4 the size of the US population.  GB+W equals roughly 1/240 the number of handgun related murders in the US (this is homicides only for both figures).  So all of you who think handgun murder will go up with gun banning, quit fooling yourselves.


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so you searched google for Children hit by stray bullet and figure that every hit is a story of a child hit by a stray bullet from a gang fight or something? If that is the case, then I am sorry, you are stupid. and the truth about GB and such is that most European countrys have a lower gun crime rate, including GB even before their gun control laws. however, since the gun control laws, crime in GB including murder has gone up. Remember, before the gun laws, many cops didn't  even carry guns while on duty. Now they carry submachine guns. if gun control was really working, wouldn't you think that they would be coming in contact with less guns, and as result, guns would be even less needed while on duty? Also, you should remember that in GB, a death is only ruled a homicide if the killer is arrested and convicted, where as here, any body found to have died because it is riddled with bullets is considered to be a homicide, which means that those statisics for GB make it look a lot better than it really is.
 


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so you searched google for Children hit by stray bullet and figure that every hit is a story of a child hit by a stray bullet from a gang fight or something?  Actually, one of the things I said in my last post was that not everyone of those hits contained a separate incident... :P  Please bother to read the entire post before responding...



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Quote from EMyers at 8:25 PM on April 30, 2006 :
so you searched google for Children hit by stray bullet and figure that every hit is a story of a child hit by a stray bullet from a gang fight or something?  Actually, one of the things I said in my last post was that not everyone of those hits contained a separate incident... :P  Please bother to read the entire post before responding...



Wow, I was right. truth betold, I was being sarcastic
Ok- by your own logic, http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Children+killed+by+stray+bullet&word2=Man+stops+crime+with+gun

does this mean that I can get an accurate count of troops killed in Iraq if I search for it on Google and count the results?
just so I don't do what you did, the answer is no, current death count is 2609, google gets 42,900,000.
 


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You still haven't answered my question.


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sorry I missed it. quite obvously none would be best. sadly, that is quite idealistic, and quite impossable to do. either way, the best way of reducing the number is to:
1.)go after the criminals with guns- if  the problem is criminal gang wars, then limiting access to guns for all isn't going to stop these criminals from getting ahold of them. what needs to be done is stop the sources of guns such as straw buyers.
2.)teach more gun safety- those stray bullets from accedents during legal gun use are because of lapses in gun safety by those handling the firearm. what it proves is that more gun safety needs to be taught- support for my belief in gun safety training in school.
 


Posts: 35 | Posted: 11:37 PM on April 30, 2006 | IP
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1) supply and demand - limit the amount of guns that can be legally sold and gun suppliers will lower production (don't make what you can't sell) reducing the total output of firearms (while raising the prices of black market weapons to level less likely to be pursued by the average thug).

2)  not so idealistic that I don't agree with you on this as 1) is unlikely to ever happen


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Quote from EMyers at 12:17 AM on May 1, 2006 :
1) supply and demand - limit the amount of guns that can be legally sold and gun suppliers will lower production (don't make what you can't sell) reducing the total output of firearms (while raising the prices of black market weapons to level less likely to be pursued by the average thug).



don't fool your self- Kalashnikovs cost about fifty dollars a gun in many countrys, which could very easly give rise to smuggling- just look at the drug trade to see that smugglers don't seem to be bothered by american border patrols. even without smuggling, it is supprisingly easy to build your own full auto firearm, and it doesn't have to be expensive- the british sten 9mm submachine gun was being produced for $6 a gun during WWII.
look up delta press on google- all kinds of guns that can be made in home workshops fairly easy- I have seen copys of the plans for some of these, and they are pretty basic
if drug dealers can make fancy labritorys to produce illegal drugs, I would say that it wouldn't be unconcevable to say that illegal gun dealers could create a decent machine shop to turn out illegal guns. in addition, since most of those plans are for full auto weapons, I am willing to bet that if anything the stray bullet issue would only get worse. not to mention that higher costs means less people carrying a gun for defense. overall, it sounds like a plan for criminals with less fear and guns that spray more uncontrolled lead- sound like a great plan.
In fact, as I understand it, illegal production and smuggling of weapons into england has increased since the gun laws took affect there. like you said, supply and demand.

 


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Perhaps, but let's not forget one thing... A gun kept in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.
- Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries." Annu. Rev. Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40
  With statistics like that, any reduction should be considered a good start.  Especially considering that In a survey of 2,000 felons, 44 percent said they would not be significantly deterred from robbing or assaulting someone carrying a gun  


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the thing is that you are measuring the total times that the gun actually had to be fired to stop the crime- most criminals, when finding them selves looking at the wrong end of a handgun during a crime run off- this happens 98- 99.9% of the time, which means that for every crime stopped by a justifyable handgun death, anywhere from 49 to up to 1000 crimes are stopped. and that doesn't count that the times that a crook decides not to enter a house due to the fact that it has an NRA sticker on the door.

as for the survey, this means that most (56%) criminals on the street are scared shitless of armed civilians? and this minority that say that they aren't afraid of guns, does this mean that they won't be stopped if they attack me and I double tap them in the chest? you are still better off with a gun. in fact, considering that only .1-2% of times that civilans use guns to defend themselves the criminal is actually killed, it would seem that even if they talk big, when the rubber meets the road, and they are looking down the barrel of a .357, perceptions change.

personally, when some crook is threatening myself or my family, I am not going to worry about if the crook would be afraid of the gun, if he isn't, he will be a dead crook. either way my family and myself are safe.
 


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So, statistically, for every crook you stop with your gun, you'll kill 22 other innocent people.


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Quote from EMyers at 11:23 AM on May 1, 2006 :
So, statistically, for every crook you stop with your gun, you'll kill 22 other innocent people.

did you even read my post? what it said is statisticly, you stop up to 1000 crimes for every person killed by a gun. also, since the great majority of those 22 deaths are from suicide, the average person doesn't kill 22 people for every justifyable killing.
 


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also, .suicide is easily done without guns, as are many domestic homicides.
 


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that "22 times more likely" number is way off.

I read an article on that study, and in making that calculation the author merely compared domestic homicide, suicide, and unintentional shootings among people who owned guns and people who did not own guns.  In other words, the author of the study assumed that anyone who lived in a gun-owning-home that was killed by a firearm was killed by the firearm that was in that home.  Out of the 444 incidents analysed in that study, in only 8 was it actually shown that the victim was killed by a firearm that was actually stored in the home.  

So, all that study shows, if anything, is that people who own guns are more likely to killed by a gun.  These variables are not mutually exclusive.  Many variables go into this equation, the most obvious being that people who know they are likely to be attacked are more likely to own a gun.  Someone who expects that they may be attacked by an abusive partner, someone who has a stalker, someone who lives in a bad neighborhood, someone who is a member of a gang, or someone who deals drugs are all more likely to own a gun than your average citizen because they know they are likely to be attacked.



Second, a large portion of that data is suicide, which cannot be attributed to the gun.  Also, because the author didn't establish that the gun was actually stored in the home, you cannot show that someone with a gun is more likely to commit suicide by making suicide easy.  It is entirely possible that many of these suicides involved people going out and buying guns specifically for that, or borrowing a gun.  Lastly, you cannot say that if they didn't have the gun they wouldn't have committed suicide.
 


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Quote from florida3006 at 6:27 PM on May 1, 2006 :
that "22 times more likely" number is way off.

I read an article on that study, and in making that calculation the author merely compared domestic homicide, suicide, and unintentional shootings among people who owned guns and people who did not own guns.  In other words, the author of the study assumed that anyone who lived in a gun-owning-home that was killed by a firearm was killed by the firearm that was in that home.  Out of the 444 incidents analysed in that study, in only 8 was it actually shown that the victim was killed by a firearm that was actually stored in the home.  

So, all that study shows, if anything, is that people who own guns are more likely to killed by a gun.  These variables are not mutually exclusive.  Many variables go into this equation, the most obvious being that people who know they are likely to be attacked are more likely to own a gun.  Someone who expects that they may be attacked by an abusive partner, someone who has a stalker, someone who lives in a bad neighborhood, someone who is a member of a gang, or someone who deals drugs are all more likely to own a gun than your average citizen because they know they are likely to be attacked.

if I am not mistaken, the same study found that people that lived in houses with security alarms were also more likely to be murdered. it's likely the same reason as for gun owners to be more likely to be killed- people that are in danger, whether from living in a bad neighborhood, or being stalked or what ever are both more likely to own a security system and be attacked.


 


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Arguement made concerning decisions of when to use a hand concerning the actions of gangs are useless in the debate of the rights of gun ownership.
The only issue being debated is the right of law abiding citizens to own and bear arms.
Criminals do not care about the outcome of the debate. I suspect that they actually support the ban as it would disarm any who may dare stand up to them.
As for gang members respecting someone's choice to remain unarmed and showing mercy because of that choice is giving credit to someone for possessing the power of reason and logic. Which their affiliation with violent gangs refudiates.
Punk gangsters thrive on disrespect of strangers and hope to be respected by their lack of respect for their victims.



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Finally some one that has common sense. I think the work criminal means, some one that sees laws only purpose for existence is so that they can be broken.


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The fact that a gun-banner can watch a video in which a young woman gets beaten to death and still say she was better off not having a gun only goes to show how unreasonable gun-banners are.
 


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florida308,
The gun banners are retarded they were the kids who rode the short bus to a special duhhh school and wear a weird helmet.
YOU can make it as clear as you want the gun banners still set their idealogy thats its better to die unarmed like a sheep than have a better chance to live armed.
 


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The fact that you can watch the video and not realize that pulling a gun in that crowd was only going to get many people killed (most likely her included) shows how naive gun proponents are.  Or are you going to seriously tell me that she would've had the presence of mind to aim and shoot only the people who were hitting her and that absolutely none of her bullets would possibly hit any innocent bystanders?  Seriously?



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No, I am not going to tell you that.  All American citizens are irrational and untrustworthy, and they should therefore be subject to your control.  If the laws you support result in their deaths, it is a necessary sacrifice.  
 


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That is the mentality of a gun-banner.  If a criminal has a gun and you don't, they will surely kill you with it if they want to.  If a criminal has a gun and you do too, they will surely be able to kill you if they want to, but only after you kill several bystandards.  If you have a gun and a criminal does not, they will surely be able to take it from you and kill you with it, but only after you kill several bystandards.  

Man, if these criminals are so capable, its a wonder they don't work for a living.
 


Posts: 38 | Posted: 7:43 PM on April 9, 2007 | IP
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Why bother.  It's so much easier to take what they want from people like you.  I also like the way you worded your first "answer".  You should be a lawyer.

P.S. What is a bystandard?


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 7:55 PM on April 9, 2007 | IP
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You can make fun of spelling all you want.  The fact remains that you lurk on these forums and rarely make a coherent, logical post.

If you looked deeper into what I posted, rather than just reacting with the first insult that popped into your head, you might learn something.  All your thoughts on the matter start with the assumption that criminals are very capable and law-abiding citizens are not.  The fact that you can watch a video in which someone gets beaten to death and say they were better off without a gun is laughable.
 


Posts: 38 | Posted: 8:36 PM on April 9, 2007 | IP
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First of all, please point to one post where I said criminals were law abiding citizens...


Ok, didn't think so.  Quit making up tripe and applying it to other people.  


The fact that you see a mob beat the crap out of someone and immediately think that if she'd just have had a gun that she would have protected herself and harmed no one else at all is ignorant.  Wake up and smell the morning news.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 9:30 PM on April 9, 2007 | IP
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You have a reading comprehension problem.  I never said that you said that criminals were law abiding.
 


Posts: 38 | Posted: 9:54 PM on April 9, 2007 | IP
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You stated that all my thoughts start with that assumption (I can point it out if you can't remember what you typed).  So unless you are claiming to be clairvoyant (how many fingers am I holding up?) or outright lying, you must have some post somewhere that you can point to where I claim that assumption.  


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 01:27 AM on April 10, 2007 | IP
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You really are a complete fucking moron.


This is what I said; I have broken it down for the reading impaired:
"All your thoughts on the matter start with the assumptions that
(1) criminals are very capable and,

(2)law-abiding citizens are not."

I DID NOT say "all your thoughts on the matter start with the assumption that criminals are very capable and law-abiding."
 


Posts: 38 | Posted: 10:52 AM on April 10, 2007 | IP
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florida308,
You are on a roll
You got to be assertive with people like Emyers.
 


Posts: 65 | Posted: 2:24 PM on April 10, 2007 | IP
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florida, so you don't like it when people take statements out of context... just checking to see if it went both ways...

dmxx99, what does "you got to" mean?


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 6:32 PM on April 10, 2007 | IP
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WOW.
Big emotional topic.
Just a thought re. the UK's gun control.

We're not the UK.  As i remember we used to be, but it was by the grace of an outnumbered few with superior (rifled) guns that make us who we are.

Look, course reducing guns reduces gun deaths.  Maybe not violence... but gun deaths.  Reducing cars reduces car deaths.  AND... guns are dangerous.  A chimp can fire one with HUGE force and they can be touchy sometimes.  So child deaths are a huge issue though i'm sure the stats get wiggled around.  (stats always seem to...)  
The thing is... we're a country based on the idea that everyone in it is important and responsible for it.  Defending it too...  I'd like to think that in some future time if our government fails the good people of this country could rise up and protect our liberties and our safety.  That We the People are important and givin these rights does not mean we're always safe.  But if we give that idea up then this country of individuals loses one thing that made us.

I agree with a great deal of gun control. (shock!)
Mandatory gun locks keep loaded guns away from kids, limiting full auto's and high military hardware, keeping a gun out of a depressed roommates hands saved her life ( and she lived with me while i owned but counldn't get near mine even in desperation (i sleep great...) because of a pile of locks and an expensive ready safe.  I don't want gang members to carry guns or KKK march 8 years ago in the town my folks live in to carry rifles (they applied for a permit.)  I don't want a gun in my E.R. or in my kids school.  But when the one unarmed security guard won't walk me to my truck a half mile away on a dark- treed campus full of squatters and there's been reports of recent strong armed robberies... i'd love to be able to carry FROM work.  Once job a guy got stabbed on my bicycle (on the bike rack...)  When i'm driving alone across Nevada past the 9th prison in 200 miles and out of cell phone coverage for a day and a half havn't seen a car in 2 hourse... and i run out of gas (has happened) i'd LOVE to have a gun handy.  In the above case... don't know if i'd use it... Just cause i have one, dosn't mean you should use it.  If i'm hiking though rattlesnake prone areas (most of the sierra's and the southwest) or bear prone (salmon fishing in Canada) or Pig Prone (ferral pigs are under hunted in Cali) or Bobcat prone (suburbs in Arizona, Colorado, Utah, NM where attacks happen a few times a year.)  


 I'd like to see more gun control focus on child safety, gun locks, education and keeping them specifically out of the hands of gang members.  Get those bills in office vs trying to take them away from everyone and you'll get my support everyday.


Oh, and just cause you don't see why i do something, or don't agree, dosn't mean it's not done for a good purpose or that you should ban it.  Lots of people i know think there should be ONE religion, one language, one politics in this country.  We start gettin into the struggle of who should have what rights i guarantee the government and millitary will start making all those decisons too.  (That's kind of why my ancestors left Europe.)


 


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Thanks Christ I don't live in the U.S!!! You must be all lunatics there... either putting fear in people or being in fear of those... Why can't you all just chill the hell out?


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Posts: 8 | Posted: 7:35 PM on February 15, 2008 | IP
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