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The unthinkable is coming to pass.  The gun control organizations are trying to target hunting rifles for restrictive laws.
Again, as in all other cases, the problem is NOT the gun.  The gun is the tool of the murder.  We must target the causes of crime and punish the people who commit crime, but crime can never be completely eliminated.  Life can never be completely safe and the government is absolutely powerless to protect anybody.
We must face that fact.  Gun control does not solve the problem, but rather makes it worse.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 07:23 AM on October 13, 2002 | IP
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Guess what?  Military sniper rifles are derived from civilian hunting rifles.  The Marine sniper rifle is a Remington 700 hunting rifle.  When the Marines wanted a sniper rifle, they picked the best hunting rifle they could find.  This new proposal is the first step to ban hunting rifles.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:12 PM on December 20, 2002 | IP
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hunting should not be used for sport. it should be used solely for the purpose of food.


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This is may be the only time I agree with Falling in this topic.


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Posts: 202 | Posted: 4:10 PM on December 22, 2002 | IP
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i cant think of one person that doesnt eat what they kill or at least give the meat to some one.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 01:47 AM on December 23, 2002 | IP
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Well, I suppose when you shoot the animal and haul it's head out to stick on your wall (I'm sure that would give me nightmares), the corpes provides a pleasant meal for the bugs.


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well it looks like we have no arguments here, everyone agrees that hunting should be used solely for the use of food


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 06:34 AM on December 23, 2002 | IP
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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 12:05 AM on December 2, 2002 :
animals are not here for us to kill


are you changing your views or something?  i thought you were against all guns for all resons?  


(Edited by Maynard 12/23/2002 at 12:04 PM).


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 06:34 AM on December 23, 2002 :
well it looks like we have no arguments here, everyone agrees that hunting should be used solely for the use of food



I don't know a single hunter who does not use all the meat on an animal.  I belive shooting animals just to kill it is called "poaching" and is against the law.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 9:01 PM on December 28, 2002 | IP
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I think it is getting stupid, in LA they are banning all .50 cal cartrige rifles.  The average cost of one of these rifles is around the $7,000
range not including the scope.  They are used almost exclusively by competion shooters.  Another thing is that there has not been a single crime in this country tied to one of these rifles ever.  


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Posts: 11 | Posted: 8:31 PM on February 16, 2003 | IP
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It's interesting how people talk about being against hunting. They think it's barbaric and evil or what not. While I've never been hunting myself, I am looking forward to the opportunity to do it some day. Is it because I want to kill some poor animal? Not at all. Hunting isn't about killing. It actually requires a great deal of skill and preperation. It isn't like the animals just line up ready to be shot. A lot of hunters do eat what they kill too.

Hunting is also a very important part of the ecosystem. If all hunting was banned, many game animal populations would skyrocket out of control. We would be forced to go out and kill many of them anyway to control the populations. There are a great deal of regulations and laws involved with hunting such as bag limits (how many of whatever creature you can kill per day) and other kinds of laws to prevent too much of a population drop amongst game animals. Hunters even have a code. It is very important to make sure you make a clean kill and avoid simply wounding the animal and letting it suffer. It is also kind of taboo to kill female deer and hunters avoid this when possible.



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Posts: 11 | Posted: 10:19 PM on September 11, 2004 | IP
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That's rediculous. If they want to crack down on dangerous weapons, they should pick an M82A1 Barret 12.7mm rifle.

http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_82A1.htm

With an effective range of over a mile, they are effectively used to disable jets, helicopters, and light armored vehicles. People can buy this gun when they turn 18. Buying a Glock 9mm takes waiting until they're 20.


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Posts: 8 | Posted: 03:12 AM on January 15, 2005 | IP
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Why should they ban the M82A1? "DERRR IT CAN SHOOT DOWN HELLICOPTERS" well, when was the last time a hellicopter was shot down in America with one of those? in fact, when was ANYTHING BUT A TARGET was last shot down in America with one of those? and who cares if you can get one when you are 18? its not like you could use that in a school shooting or anything. it weighs over 33lbs fully loaded...  you tool, get out of my country please.  


Here's a quote for you guys... see if you can place it:

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

I'll give you a hint, he starts with "a" and ends in "dolf Hitler"

(Edited by Serevok 4/12/2005 at 09:36 AM).
 


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I want to bring up 2 quotes from this very thread before I begin.

Quote from fallingupwards84 at 09:37 AM on December 22, 2002 :
hunting should not be used for sport. it should be used solely for the purpose of food.


Quote from madbilly at 7:47 PM on December 22, 2002 :
i cant think of one person that doesnt eat what they kill or at least give the meat to some one.


This is indeed true; a majority of all hunters donate the meat from their kills to food shelves and other charitable organizations. Therefore, hunting is done for food, even it is an after product.

Furthermore, humans hunting animals is as natural as a lion hunting gazelle on the plains. I hear too much about hunting being animal cruelty, when in reality, nature is much crueler. Imagine watching as some predator tears open your body and goes to town on your guts. Hunting is usually (if they're good) a shot to the head, so there is little to no suffering.



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Posts: 7 | Posted: 09:44 AM on April 12, 2005 | IP
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What I don't understand is that liberals always preach "tolorance" but yet they are so untolorant.  If you don't like hunting then don't hunt but don't try to outlaw hunting for those who like to hunt.

If you don't like guns then don't by one but don't tell other law abiding citizens they can't have one if they choose.  why can't we just live free.

I like hunting and grew up squirrl hunting with my Granddaddy and now go squirrl hunting with my son.  Its not about killing.  Its about be out in the woods and spending with friends and family.  The squirrls in the woods aren't like in the park.  They don't just jump out and say shoot me.  The sport is in learning about the behavior and habitat.  the silently stalking them.[b][color=aqua]SECURITY ALERT: null


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Hunting for food is fine.  However, if one intends to hunt for "sport" one should make a sport out of it.  Bears have no guns.  If you kill a bear with a knife in the wild with out it being trapped (or tranquilized or whatever) then I'll be the first to congratulate you.  However, since their is a lot more skill in bow hunting, I don't see the problem.  If guns are banned, just use a bow and arrow.  Can't remember the last time someone went on a mass killing spree with a bow and arrow.    


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Quote from EMyers at 4:21 PM on January 14, 2006 :
Hunting for food is fine.  However, if one intends to hunt for "sport" one should make a sport out of it.  Bears have no guns.  If you kill a bear with a knife in the wild with out it being trapped (or tranquilized or whatever) then I'll be the first to congratulate you.  However, since their is a lot more skill in bow hunting, I don't see the problem.  If guns are banned, just use a bow and arrow.  Can't remember the last time someone went on a mass killing spree with a bow and arrow.    



When I weigh 800 lbs and can run 40+ miles an hour, I will kill a bear with a knife.  I am a man, nature made man and man made tools, including guns.  Nature made bears, and if bears could make guns then they could use them.  

A bow, while capable of producing a clean, sportsman-like kill in the hands of someone like myself, is more likely to cause pain and suffering and wonding in wild animals.  I assume that is something that a bleeding heart such as yourself would be concerned about.  



 


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My heart's not bleeding.  I said I have absolutely no problem with killing an animal for food.  Period.  I'm just saying that killing for "sport" isn't "sporting" with a gun.  Read before you comment.


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Have you ever been hunting?  Just curious, since you apparently know so much about it that you can declare that it isn't sporting.

Its funny how people who have never been around guns assume that it is just point-and-click, like a TV remote.  I would bet that you couldn't hit a pie plate at 25 yards, much less stalk into the woods silently, discern the signs of nature, put yourself in a position to encounter an animal, wait silently and patiently for hours, and then execute a clean kill at an unkown distance on a possibly moving animal.
 


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Congratulations, you just killed an unarmed beast with absolutely no fear of retribution.


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Quote from EMyers at 4:21 PM on January 14, 2006 :
Hunting for food is fine.  However, if one intends to hunt for "sport" one should make a sport out of it.  Bears have no guns.  If you kill a bear with a knife in the wild with out it being trapped (or tranquilized or whatever) then I'll be the first to congratulate you.  However, since their is a lot more skill in bow hunting, I don't see the problem.  If guns are banned, just use a bow and arrow.  Can't remember the last time someone went on a mass killing spree with a bow and arrow.    


Yeah, but bows aren't really the military weapon of choice nowadays.  So having the citizens keep bows as supposed to guns is a regression of technology.  That's like saying that we should go back to the days where computers weren't invented as computers may be misused today by hackers.
 


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Um, we were talking about hunting animals...  you did read that part, right?


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Quote from EMyers at 5:57 PM on October 31, 2006 :
Um, we were talking about hunting animals...  you did read that part, right?



Are you suggesting that it takes more skill to hunt with a bow than a gun?
That's just a matter of opinion.
 


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Actually, if you've used both, no, it's really not.


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Quote from Pie at 01:48 AM on December 23, 2002 :
Well, I suppose when you shoot the animal and haul it's head out to stick on your wall (I'm sure that would give me nightmares), the corpes provides a pleasant meal for the bugs.



You don't hack off it's head and put it in your house, that would stink in a few days. You skin it and have it sent to be made into a mount and just becuase it's skinned doesn't mean you don't eat the rest of it.

Also, for those who just can't understand why people hunt. I don't think you realize where meat comes from. It is much more humane to take free roamed meat than it is to buy caged meat.

Free roamed meat comes from an animal that lived like the way nature intended. Caged meat you buy from the supermarket comes from an animal living in a small cage since birth. Cattle are lined up in slots so narrow it can't turn around. It defecates from one end and eats from the other. They are slaughtered at the age of 3 before the meat gets too tought. Their average life span is 14. Calves are not even nursed, but fed a slurry of blended unused parts from slaughter houses. They are then caged tightly so they can't move to make veal.
Poultry you buy from the market comes from birds squeezed into 3x4 cages with 6 others. To prevent them from pecking each other they shove their faces into a belt sander to remove their beaks. Not to mention being stacked on top of each other means they defecate on one another and are spreading diseases like wildfire. Male chics have their necked snapped when identified at birth since they don't lay eggs. Ducks are force fed with a 3 inch tube shoved into their stomach to make patte.

Making everyone vegan is a daunting and nearly impossible task. So would you rather for the moment that people pay for their meat by giving money to their local department of wildlife or by paying the meat industry?
 


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I believe that animals should be hunted only for food. Using the tum sport is just a human thin. We humans have a tendency to call almost any thing besides siting infringe of the TV a sport. So to get all riled up about terminology's makes no sense. I mean we call smashing into one another, and knocking each other down a sport. Ever heard of foot ball?

Personally I would never kill a deer, thats just me, but I feel no compulsion to tell every one els that does not think like me that you must conform to my way of thinking. However if one is on my property and you go shooting at it, I may go shooting at you.


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