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Do Right to Carry Laws deter crime ? 

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 10:15 AM on May 1, 2002 | IP
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No matter how desperate someone may be - do you REALLY think they would mess with someone who has a gun in sight?

You must be in a serious neighborhood to ask that.



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My fear is that someone who tries to use their gun to stop a crime, will end up injuring others in their atempted heorics.


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Good Point Jig! That is why a well thought out plan of attach should also include trajectory. In my case - I would in most situations use a high powered rifle which would not be aimed at a persons head.  I always consider the fact of where the exiting bullet may land - so I would go for the more painful Belly Shot. That would assure me that the slug would hit dirt sooner.


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That's great, unfortunantly the vast majority of gun owners are not that intelligent (Bob Barr comes to mind...)


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i'm from Britain, and shootings are really rare. The use of guns has changed over the last couple of centuries, why hang on to a law that old and meant for different circumstances? It's very hard to understand someones intentions when you sell them a gun. Anyway, what is there to do with them? Unless you're into bloodsports            ( where in Britain you would hire a gun)there isn't much use for them.
And as for protection...aren't you protecting yourself against other people with guns?
 


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 Things to do with a gun.

Note: While Britain does have less gun violence than the U.S., it has almost twice the violent crime rate of the U.S..  Their crime rate has increased steadily since private gun ownership was made virtually illegal.

1)  Target practice

2)  Competitive/Olympic shooting

3)  Hunting

4)  Plinking

5)  Collecting everything from antiques to very rare moderns

5)  Bragging about your guns/skill

6)  Making yourself a very,  very dangerous target for criminals who do NOT follow gun laws.  They buy theirs on the black market.

7)  Prevent your wife and child from being raped and murdered.  Protecting yourself and your home from house robbers (such things are illegal in Britain-hence the spiralling violent crime rate).

8)  Foiling the plans of violent terrorists (remember how well the British citizen was able to defend himself/herself from IRA terrorism)

There are lots fun and useful things to do with your firearms.  I have only listed a few.   I truly feel sorry for the people of the U.K..  Like poor sheep, they follow the dictates of some ancient gomers in their out-of-touch Parliment.  A brit is as likely, or more so, to go to jail for defending himself/herself then the criminal who attacks them.


 


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well,it specifically says in the constitution that we are allowed the right to carry guns, and rememebr the dividians? they were shot because they "illegally" owned guns, as long as it is in the constitution the only crime thy commited was get in the government's way
 


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There are lots fun and useful things to do with your firearms.  I have only listed a few.   I truly feel sorry for the people of the U.K..  Like poor sheep, they follow the dictates of some ancient gomers in their out-of-touch Parliment.  A brit is as likely, or more so, to go to jail for defending himself/herself then the criminal who attacks them.

not true, because the criminal was also wielding a gun when he attacked that person who used a gun for self defense...
 


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No.  There is no need for guns in the first place, and having that right only makes it easier for a villian to get a gun.


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And if you take away that right the criminal is going to get a gun anyway.
 


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But it lessens the amount of guns purchased by gangs and non-theives/smugglers.


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not entirely....see, if the government was to take over the black market we would have no problems,or at least for some time
 


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Here in England, we don't have a right to carry, and we don't have a major gun problem. In the States, where citizens have a right to carry, there is a major problem. Just an observation...


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The Swiss keep many more guns per person yet their crime rate does not seem to be out of hand.  For that matter we shouldn't have guns - the only people that have the right to take the law into their own hands are the police and the criminal, we should let them do their thing I try to stay out of their way.
 


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Right To Carry.
To deny Right to Carry is to tell people "You have a right and a duty to be victimized by criminals."
The police have no duty or obligation to protect any individual.  To deny the individual the means to protect himself is nothing short of evil.
 


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Quote from Jigokusabre at 10:32 PM on August 19, 2002 :
My fear is that someone who tries to use their gun to stop a crime, will end up injuring others in their atempted heorics.



I can not image why your average citizen on the street, maybe with kids, a wife; would want to risk his life to be a hero?  Even if your hero tactics work and you kill a felon, then your in for some really big legal troubles.  If your really unlucky your dead.  If you imagine private citizens stopping liquior store robberies, street muggings, and bank robberies, you can count me out.  I protect close friends, neighbors, and family.  I don't know of any fireams owners who patrol the streets at night waiting for trouble.  When was the last time you heard of a private citizen just patrolling for trouble?  Probably never.
 


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Quote from Guest at 2:26 PM on October 9, 2002 :
the only people that have the right to take the law into their own hands are the police and the criminal, we should let them do their thing I try to stay out of their way.



When the knife wielding felon is in your bedroom how do you stay away?  Do you run to the kitchen get a knife then duke it out?  Threaten him with a cell phone and dial 911?

For me I will cheat.  Use every means fair and unfair.  Use the maxium amount of violence upon a felon standing in my livingroom.

If you think I am  barbaric.  Try and imagine what a felon can learn from his fellow inmates while in prison.  Try and imagine what happens when he puts his lessons to use.
 


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Quote from Chris at 11:54 AM on October 8, 2002 :
Here in England, we don't have a right to carry, and we don't have a major gun problem. In the States, where citizens have a right to carry, there is a major problem. Just an observation...



Chris:

England is indeed safer than the USA regarding violence from firearms.  I would feel much safer in your country from the threat of being shot.  But your country has a MAJOR problem with physical assaults and property crime.  I find it ironic that one year after your country effectively ended private ownership of firearms, the cops starting carrying firearms.  HMMM?  Oh by the way, do the cops in London still wear bullet proof vests?   I thought England was gun free?
 


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I agree with Kelvin. If there is a felon/criminal in my house, I'll get just as dirty as I have to to make sure that SOB does not walk out of my house with anything more than a mortal wound. (or two...or three) Besides, WHEN they die (a few minuets of artierial blood loss later) they won't be able to sue me!! (I hate Califonia laws)


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bryan and michael from John Kennedy Jr. High in Des Moine Iowa are here to say:
Firearms only count for 1.5% of USA's fatal accidents, while other accidents such as chocking, drowning, fires, and falls rank much higher on the list.  What are u gunna do?> ban walking so people cant fall? but then theyll have to walk on their hands,... but they wont have hands cuz ule ban hands for choking.. o wait u cant drive without hands.. what are u gunna do ? ban motor vehicles? ban water? ban fire? Maybe you should just think about it...[color=blue][i]
 


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it's true, the facts show that crime in England HAS gone up...last poll I saw stated that england had the highest crime rate of any civilized country in the world. Good thing no one has any guns huh? Someone might protect themselves and their property. Secondly, the the jack ass who claims he's use a high powered rifle, if you know anything about guns, you'd know that any "High powered rifle" and most lower caliber rounds easily penetrate a human body from anything less than 100 meters, for instance a .223 which is, yes .003 bigger than your average .22cailber round, is more than enough to completely penetrate a body, (especially a stomach). That is a terribly low powered weapon as far as rifles are concerened. Perhaps you mean a .308 (7.62mm) round? You're in idiot. The fact of the matter is (as proved in england) guns cause crime like flies cause garbage. Guns DON'T Kill people, PEOPLE kill people, and if they don't do it with a gun, they'll throw you out the window, or beat you to death with a stick, or stab you with a knife. Hell you could probably beat a man to death the the new york times you if really wanted. Gun bans are rediculous, unconstitutional and a waste of government time and money.


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well... i live in a free country... and in that free country... i have the right to bear arms... i can use it for my protection against any intruder in my home... or any attacker or bad guy who wants to do harm to me...  if i am to be victimized- i want a fighting chance... if i had a gun i could yield its power and that would probably be enough for me to live... i have heard all the benefits of having 'arms' and agreed...gun control is a joke! criminals use guns regardless of gun laws... good citizens are the ones who suffer... imagine a world without guns.... cars and knifes and swimming pools would probably be outlawed... Don't let them take away our guns!!!
 


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Quote from Guest at 2:49 PM on April 9, 2003 :
bryan and michael from John Kennedy Jr. High in Des Moine Iowa are here to say:
Firearms only count for 1.5% of USA's fatal accidents, while other accidents such as chocking, drowning, fires, and falls rank much higher on the list.  What are u gunna do?> ban walking so people cant fall? but then theyll have to walk on their hands,... but they wont have hands cuz ule ban hands for choking.. o wait u cant drive without hands.. what are u gunna do ? ban motor vehicles? ban water? ban fire? Maybe you should just think about it...[color=blue][i]


That is so freking true!!!  i am only 15 years old and i own my own gun and guess what if  someone comes in my house and i don't know them and pick something up of my floor i will blow there head off because first of all they did not have the right to enter and second because they were going to take something in my mind and if i went to court i would not give he dun wrong i punish them thats all.  and GUNS do not kill people i mean how fucking dumb is that!!!  a guns rarely goes off without something activating it.  and the suicide issue.  guess why people kill themselves with guns.  it is quick, painless, and BECAUSE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE WEAPON!!!  if i were to kill myself i would not go out and buy a gun worth 200+ dollars to just kill myself!!!  thats all i got to say and please try and shut me up i am extremely smart when guns come into the picture.  so try all you want but in the i will be talking and you will be crying because you were wrong.

 


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Did you know that a police officer is more likely to commit a crime than a concealed carry permit holder?



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Why wouldn't you go out and buy a $200+ gun to kill your self. I mean it isn't like you are going to be using any money when your dead. I think that's what they mean by dead. I don't know were your from Guest, but where I come from you don't do much after your dead.

It isn't hard to kill ones self with out a gun. All you have to do is go into a bathroom, mix chlorine and ammonia together. This creates chlorine gas, you will be dead in 5 minutes. (Don't try this at home kids) And no I do not know this from experience, I learned it in a physical science class.

As for violence what would happen to the mother whose car was hijacked with her and her kids in it, and in this case the criminal has every intentions of kill his poor unarmed sheep. At least she can rest assured that the criminal will be charged with 1st degree murder with an illegal gun.


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