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Drunk drivers killed more people then guns every year

Cigarettes kill more people then guns every year

Both can be prevented. If you really are interested in saving lives why not start with the leading causes of death that can be solved with simple lifestyle choices.

Gun control isnt about saving lives it is about control pure and simple.

You cant control me and it drives you nuts.

BTW, I dont drink or smoke.


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 9:59 PM on September 26, 2006 | IP
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Most people who don't agree with everyone being able to own a gun already are against smoking and drinking.  Most people can do more than one thing at a time.


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Quote from EMyers at 11:26 PM on September 26, 2006 :
Most people who don't agree with everyone being able to own a gun already are against smoking and drinking.  Most people can do more than one thing at a time.


I realize you can do more then one thing at a time. How do you know most people against guns dont smoke or drink? Are you generalizing to try and make apoint? A popular anti gunnner strategy. So what have you done lately to stop the nations big killer, auto fatalities and heart disease? Think of all the lives you could save. Murder by firearm is below 10th on the list. Why not start where you can do the most good?

Why are you against me owning guns? I am very careful to be safe and responsible. I have been shooting my entire life and I love it. Why is this bad? I am not a criminal.

Finaly I ask you a question, if someone was chasing you with a knife trying to rob, rape, murder, you and you saw me step out with a weapon to try and help you, would you still feel the same way about civilians with guns?





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Posts: 19 | Posted: 01:34 AM on September 27, 2006 | IP
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Yes.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 02:19 AM on September 27, 2006 | IP
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Do you think only people with an "official" title of some sort should have guns?

Please understand I mean no disrespect. I grew up thinking everybody had a few guns. I cant understand why I, a 38 year old father who has always kept his nose clean and tried to contribut to society should be disarmed just because someone like you just decides it should be that way.


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 8:02 PM on September 27, 2006 | IP
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Hi I'm Back Mr Myers I haven't gotten any new guns yet since there haven't been any more countrys banning guns lately. Mr turrican Mr Myers is under the impression that you and I and all those like us are irrisponsable we allow our gun to be stolen by crimminals or if we confront armed crimminals that we are ultimetly killed by them and supply them with more guns. Even though statics show that very few gun are procured by criminals by stealing them from private owners or dead private owners. Sorry Mr Myers I just had to stop by and stur the pot. Have a nice day..


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Posts: 127 | Posted: 9:37 PM on September 27, 2006 | IP
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I really am trying to understand the control mindset of these people. Are they scared of anyone that they dont have total control over?


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 9:56 PM on September 27, 2006 | IP
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What control mindset?  I don't believe you should rape your children either, but just because they are your children doesn't mean I'm trying to "control" you.  Come back down to earth.  Heck, I'm still trying to figure out why you can carry a gun (which can kill people from large distances and through barriers), but I can't carry a sword (at least that was the law when I lived in Phoenix) where I'd actually have to be close to the person I wished to harm (suppose I could throw it at them, but then I'd just be disarming myself, wouldn't I?)  Not saying I want to carry a sword around downtown, but the law doesn't make any sense.  Kind of like the way you can carry kids in the back of a pickup truck (with no restraints)  if the front cab is full, but if you have a dog in the back he has to be "tied in".  We don't care about your kids, but we want your terrier to be safe.  :P


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 08:09 AM on September 28, 2006 | IP
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Raping your kids is a crime you are injuring another. Carrying a gun you injure no one I fail to see the connection? I don't think that just because there is a potential for harm that it should be out lawed ad that potential would be deliberate.


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Posts: 127 | Posted: 4:17 PM on September 28, 2006 | IP
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Ok.  I thought it was obvious that I was alluding to the "control mindset" so I'm not sure if you are deliberately missing the point, but there you have it.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 7:21 PM on September 28, 2006 | IP
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Sorry,  though I don't think it is a fair comparison.  


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Posts: 127 | Posted: 8:08 PM on September 28, 2006 | IP
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To control a population you must disarm it. Do you want to live in a place where only people that are employed buy the .gov have weapons? LIke I said I am a very peaceful person. Why are you afraid of me having a weapon? I dont want to hurt anyone.
Do you ever go camping? Sometimes I am way out in the boonies. I would be scared to death without my gun. It is scarey enough with one sometimes? If you dont think we should protect ourselves from dangerous people would you at least agree that it is OK to protect ourselves against dangerous animals?


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 9:27 PM on September 28, 2006 | IP
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Sorry,  though I don't think it is a fair comparison.

Good.  You finally got my point.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 08:25 AM on September 29, 2006 | IP
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The point that seems to elude you is that. Laws are not ment to prevent crimes they are ment to punish law breakers. With your way of thinking we should castrate all men, they have the equipment to rape irriguardless of wheather or not they are inclined to rape. Is this not the same as firearms take them all away because of the potental of harm wheather the people are inclined to harm or not. If you work in the persentages 99.99% of legal gun owners are safe sane people so you deprive those who won't comit crimes because of the very small % who would? We are adults not children don't try to put us out of the pool because a couple of us won't play nice.  

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Posts: 127 | Posted: 10:00 AM on September 30, 2006 | IP
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I haven't seen that study.  Where did you get the 99.99% from.  I'd like to pour over the data.  What does irregardless mean?  I can't find it in the dictionary.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 10:57 AM on September 30, 2006 | IP
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It is true that the vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens. It is a fact since 1934 when the atf started the regulation of NFA weapons (machine guns, silencers, etc) not one single crime has been commited in the 75 years and millions of registered weapons by a civilian in posession of a legaly owned weapon. Illegal firearms are allready illegal but criminals still have them. Murder is allready illegal but murders continue to happen. Why do you think that more laws will save us?

On another note why do you suppose that the same liberals that want to ban guns from law abiding citizens are the first to oppose longer prison sentences and capitol punishmnet for people commiting crimes with guns. Liberals will be the first people to try and let a killer go free every time.

This is why I say it is control. You dont like the fact that I cannot be controled as easily as everyone else. If isnt because you want to save lives, you are far more likely to die by other means then a gun in the US yet you make this your agenda. You just dont like the fact that a person can stick up for himself and fight back. You want us all to be on the same level begging fro scraps like a good socialist. That is what I mean about control. If it was about saving lives you would start with the major causes of death and work your way down to guns.


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 9:56 PM on September 30, 2006 | IP
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So, we can't work on a cure for AIDs until we have cancer under control?  Is that what you are saying?


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:06 PM on September 30, 2006 | IP
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No, I am saying why do you want to take away guns from people who have obviously proven they will never use them to harm anybody. If your aim is to save lives why not start with something that takes more lives., I would even understand if you were wanting to stiffen sentencing for gun crimes or to find ways to help police confiscate guns from criminals but gun control people only go after the law abiding gun owners. The reson for that is you know that we will obey the law and we will have to comply because we dont want any problems. You can never disarm criminals so you make no effort to do so. I think all of your arguments are very week. Do you see why I say gun control is only a cover for people control and that is what your real goal is. It isnt about saving lives you just dont like guns and you dont have one and I do and that bothers you. You hate the fact that I can defend myself against people like you who want to take away the rights of the citizens of this country. Right now you say "we dont need the right to bear arms".  Next you will say. "freedom of speech isnt really that important". and so on untill your socialist agenda has become the norm. But first in order to make everybody follow in line you need to disarm the population. Every good dictator knows that. Saving lives has nothing to do with that.


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 2:24 PM on October 1, 2006 | IP
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You keep stating that I need to start with something else.  Why do you think that stiffer gun regulation is my one and only issue that I'm working on.  Your assumption that gun control is my main agenda because I'm spending time on it is like saying that doctors and scientists shouldn't waste time on Cancer or Influenza because they haven't wiped out the common cold yet.  It's ludicrous.  And why is envisioning a world where people don't carry around firearms a socialist agenda?  Is envisioning a world without violence, without rape, without hunger, without sickness a socialist agenda too?  So what if they are not "doable"?  Why aim low?  Why should I base my standards on the lowest common denominator of human depravity?  What basic human need are you being deprived of by limiting the amount of handguns (and what type) that you can own?  And don't give me garbage about "it's for my protection".  Kevlar is for protection.  Armor is for protection.  Handguns are designed to kill.  Or are you under the naive delusion that the guy who invented guns thought, "I bet you could use these to block those annoying arrows the other army keeps shooting at us."?  You can skew the statistics anyway you want but it does not get rid of one simple thing, the very fact that I do not have a gun in my house gives me a statistically superior chance to not be involved in a firearm related death.  This chance extends to my family.  Since I love and care for my wife and children I owe it to them to give them the very best chance to live a safe and productive life.  I'm sorry if you do not feel the same way about your family.  


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 2:56 PM on October 1, 2006 | IP
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I walk around armed every day as do a lolt of people in this state who have a cw license. In the 10 years this program has ben going on here we have tens of thousands of people carrying legaly and not a single crime by any of them. Car jacking and robbery has dropped as a result as it has in every single state that concealed carry is allowed. If you think that the sheep are safer without a protector when amongst the lions then that is your choice for your family. Statistics prove that gun ownership does not cause crime. Guns are inanimate objects that need someone to use them for good or evil. You cannot get rid of guns in this country it is too late. It was founded with guns. There are allready millions of criminals and drug dealers and terrorists running around with illegl guns. Almost every gun crime is commitied with an illegal gun. If making things illegal stopped them then the fact that murder is illegal would stop murder.  You wil only suceeed in taking away guns from the law abiding people like me. That wont stop violence because we arent commiting any violence.


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 4:04 PM on October 1, 2006 | IP
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Please, I grew up in Phoenix.  I didn't need a cw license.  You can carry them around on your hip.  You think Phoenix has a lower crime rate than "less gun-toting" cities?  Dream on.  Here's a few undisputed facts for you "protectionists" to chew on...

Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense.

The presence of a gun in the home triples the risk of homicide in the home.

The presence of a gun in the home increases the risk of suicide fivefold.

Your children love you.  Love them back.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:23 PM on October 1, 2006 | IP
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OK mister statistic. This final question will prove my point. How do you inted to disarm the population. If you are from PHX (like me) you must know that a lot of people will never give up their guns just becuase a politician says it is the law. How do you intend to disrm them? With a gun? A gun in the hands of a govt employee doing your bidding? Do you intend to disarm the govt too? do you beleive they are the only people that should have guns? Are children of police officers who have guns in the house more likely to die of violence? should police officers not have guns or should they not have kids?
Why are you so afraid of people that will never do anything to harm you. You know that legal gun owners and people with ccw especialy are among the most law abiding people in the country. Why not just tell the truth Komrade? You want us all to be the same.

(Edited by turrican 10/2/2006 at 01:16 AM).


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 01:14 AM on October 2, 2006 | IP
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First, I'd like you to point out one post (any post) where I've said that I want to disarm the U.S. population.  Ok, didn't think so.

Second, if the government did make owning a gun illegal and you say you are a law abiding citizen then I know you would hand yours over voluntarily so that is a moot point.  Or are you saying you'd shoot a police officer rather than turning over your gun?  Your non-violent side that you say we don't have to worry about is really shining through.

Third, I'm not the one who is afraid.  I don't need to hide behind a firearm to feel safe.  I'm sorry that you were reared in fear, I wasn't.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 08:21 AM on October 2, 2006 | IP
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I would turn mine over to follow the law. I know that some people wouldnt. Do you advocate kiling them to get ther guns that they have lawfully owned for years?
Where did you get shoot a police officer? I think you must be a sick individual to suggest that. I dont think I deserve that.  I have tried to remain somewhat civil with you even though you want to take away my freedoms . dont make me out to be a psycho just to prove your point. I think you are way out of line! My father is a police officer and I have frieds who are cops that put their lives on the line every day.
My point was that you dont want me to have a gun. Do you want only govt people to have guns? Or do want nobody to have guns. What exactly is your point?
My point is this. We are a society with laws. we should enforce those laws and punish people who break them. It is not illegal for me to own a gun. Therefore I can own a gun and I chose to. As long as I am not commiting any crime, what is the problem?
(Edited by turrican 10/2/2006 at 10:38 PM).

(Edited by turrican 10/2/2006 at 10:41 PM).

(Edited by turrican 10/2/2006 at 10:43 PM).


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 10:36 PM on October 2, 2006 | IP
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Where did you get shoot a police officer?

Although I can't find it right now (and I'm low on time), because this Do you advocate kiling them to get ther guns that they have lawfully owned for years?
question was raised before.  Obviously it was felt that if this law was put into effect then gun owners (of which you count yourself one) would revolt and fight back.

I have tried to remain somewhat civil with you even though you want to take away my freedoms  Yes, you've been very kind to my socialist, komrade self.  Define civil.  And please point out any post where I have stated that I wished to take away your freedoms.  At least you are intelligent enough to recognize what we have in this country are freedoms (some would say privileges) and not rights.  Most people on this planet do not enjoy half the freedoms we have.


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I see, so you saw something on the internet and lumped me right in. That is the problem with your argument its all pie in the sky, let it be stuff. If the world was perfect guns would never have been invented. I feel better having one in this world. I dont force my beliefs on you. Why do you want to change me. I could be standing next to you and you would never know I was armed. There is nothing about me that makes me stand out from the crowd and I dont advertise my position. I believe in letting people be. Why do you want us all to see it your way?


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 6:48 PM on October 3, 2006 | IP
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Perhaps for the same reason you wish for me to see it your way.  If you didn't you would've never bothered to respond.


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I dont want to impose my will on you. I want you to be free to do whatever you want and to be happy as long as you cause no harm to others. Why wouldnt you want the same for me and every other person around you?


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Posts: 19 | Posted: 10:16 PM on October 3, 2006 | IP
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Just like drugs.. ever hear of anyone overdosing on Marijuana?  People react in the most ignorant ways wanting to solve a problem.

USA needs a Dictator.. someone to just lay down the freaking law and kill anyone who disagrees.  USA is outta control
 


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Quote from JetSunn at 2:45 PM on October 5, 2006 :
USA needs a Dictator.. someone to just lay down the freaking law and kill anyone who disagrees.  USA is outta control


That is precisely what we do not need. The law was "laid down" by the people... some laws are good, some laws a poor. When we disagree, we work to change them.

Spend a bit more time awake in your High School Civics class, and a little less time playing DragonBall Z on your X-Box.


 


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We work to change them?  lol

The same people who laid down the law in USA were TRAITORS in the eyes of England and King George.

If you win a revolution its good.. if you lose its bad, lol  Our founding forefathers did not work with England to change the laws.. they started a revolution to change them, and they won.

Dont work with people.. start a revolution to change things.. its your duty to revolt if you dont like things...unless you got no ballz
 


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Revolution is too valuable a tool to use so lightly.

When in the course of history it becomes necessary for one group of people to dissolve the political ties which have connected them with another, and to bear the burdens of self-determination and self-rule. Then, and only then, should revolution be considered.

The American republic has any number of methods for resolving conflicts between its citizens besides revolt. To consider the issue at hand: the right to keep and bear arms being "over turned" and a mandatory disarmament.

First, if such a bill were to pass in a State legislature (highly unlikly) and it were to survive all court challenges (highly unlikly), it would only apply to that State. Americans could simply pick up and move....

If such a law were to be passed by Congress (ha!) and it survived all court challenges (ha, ha, ha!) then we might be entering into a coup situation.

Now, to correct some of your very blatant oversights in our nation's history: our nation's founders did indeed work with the Crown in an attempt to change the laws. Just a quick summary of the "run up" to the war will show this.

In 1761, Massachusetts lawyer James Otis argued that the Writs of Assistance (basically open ended search warrants) violated the constitutional rights of the colonists. He lost the case, but John Adams later wrote, "American independence was then and there born."

In 1763, Patrick Henry argued the Parson's Cause case. Clerical pay had been tied to the price of tobacco by Virginia legislation. When the price of tobacco skyrocketed after a bad crop in 1758, the Virginia legislature passed the Two-Penny Act to stop clerical salaries from inflating as well but in 1763, King George III vetoed the Two-Penny Act. Patrick Henry defended the law in court and argued "that a King, by disallowing Acts of this salutary nature, from being the father of his people, degenerated into a Tyrant and forfeits all right to his subjects' obedience."
In 1764, Parliament enacted the Sugar Act and the Currency Act, further vexing the colonists. Protests led to a powerful new weapon, the systematic boycott of British goods. The colonists had a new slogan, "no taxation without representation," meaning only their colonial assemblies, and not Parliament, could levy taxes on them. Committees of correspondence were formed in the colonies to coordinate resistance to paying the taxes. In previous years, the colonies had shown little inclination towards collective action. Prime Minister George Grenville's policies were what first brought them together.

The Stamp Act of 1765, the Townshead Acts, the tax on tea, the seizure of arms and ordinace at Lexington and Concord... these all came later. The Declaration in 1776 was not a spontaneous event, it was the end of two decades of colonial frustration in dealing with the government.

Our founding fathers had the "ballz" to start their revolution, and they did it with the most potent weapon humanity has ever had access to: intelligent debate.

Seriously, stop listening to the "gangsta rap," put down the "Dragonball Z" manga, and quit talking like an extra in a Wesley Snipes movie.

Listen to your civics and history professors/teachers, read the Constitution, and go see some Shakespeare-in-the-Park.

(PS: King George III (b. 1738 - d.1820) was in charge during the Revolution. King George died in 1727.... and yes, this does matter.)
 


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Lol, intelligent debate ALWAYS.. ALWAYS.. ALWAYS leads to WAR...  ever hear of WW 1 and 2 ???  lol

Debate does nothing... force is the only way.  Again if you win.. its all good.. if you lose, you hang
 


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Perhaps you have never intelligently debated.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 1:48 PM on October 8, 2006 | IP
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Just a side note, let's keep this civil, we are here to debate a real issue let's keep the personal insults down on both sides, they don't add to the discussion.

What no one really has stated clearly here is (althought it is encompassed in several statements) what the issue of gun control is.

The purpose of gun control is to what?
Prevent suicides? Is it at all rational that no guns means no suicides? Prevent homicides? History speaks for itself that homicides occur without guns. Accidental injury/homicide? That occurs daily without guns. Motor vehicle accidents is a leading killer today. From everything I gathered, it seems the issue is death/injury is more LIKELY if a gun is present.

If this is true, how do you propose to solve the problem? By banning guns all together? There are people who use guns legitimately for defense , hunting or recreation. How do you justify punishing everyone for the actions of the few? If we ban all motor vehicles the death rate in this country would surely fall, but there are people who use their cars responsibly. Where do you draw the line to be crossed? At what ratio of utility to lives is the limit?

 


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I have said this a few other places, and I'll say it again. If the government doesn't let me have guns, than why should I let the government have M61A1s? EMyers you should remember that one.


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mr meyers....you may have my guns 1 bullet at a time... people who attempt to impose their draconian ways upon legal and responsible gun owners should consider moving to a nation where you may have all the control you want...control over you..

no one gets my guns my meyers and mine have not killed anyone today and will most likely not do it tomorrow or even next week..

gun control works well enough...look at what happened when gun control was implemented ...millions are dead.... not again


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Posts: 58 | Posted: 11:59 AM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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Good, you can mail them to me...

It's hard to get that second sentence to match up with the tone of the first.


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and again no comment on howgun control has failed in the last century as well as this one


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Posts: 58 | Posted: 6:31 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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"howgun control has failed in the last century as well as this one"?  I don't even know what that sentence means.


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Quote from EMyers at 10:14 PM on March 22, 2007 :
"howgun control has failed in the last century as well as this one"?  I don't even know what that sentence means.



I thought as much





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Posts: 58 | Posted: 11:06 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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Then explain it.  What does "this one" refer to?  Gun control or the last century?  The rules of English would state it would refer to "last century", but that doesn't make a lick of sense.  If it refers to gun control, then it still doesn't make any sense as you would be comparing it to itself.


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Quote from EMyers at 11:09 PM on March 22, 2007 :
Then explain it.  What does "this one" refer to?  Gun control or the last century?  The rules of English would state it would refer to "last century", but that doesn't make a lick of sense.  If it refers to gun control, then it still doesn't make any sense as you would be comparing it to itself.



now what do you think? gun control failed in the last century and has thus far failed in this century...and if you have not figured out how it has failed ...might i suggest some additional reading and education on it




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People were murdered.  I guess by your standards then the laws against murder have failed.  People have stolen, so the laws against stealing have failed.  What would you suggest?  Stiffer penalties for offenders?


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Quote from EMyers at 11:19 PM on March 22, 2007 :
People were murdered.  I guess by your standards then the laws against murder have failed.  People have stolen, so the laws against stealing have failed.  What would you suggest?  Stiffer penalties for offenders?


classic duck and weave and avoid answering ..





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Posts: 58 | Posted: 11:28 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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I wasn't avoiding.  You asked me what I thought.  I'm trying to get a grip on your line of reasoning by applying the exact same line of reasoning to other things.  If it doesn't make sense to you, why then do you apply it?  And why do you accuse me of avoiding questions when you blatantly ignore the question I posed to you, Mr. Kettle?


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Quote from EMyers at 11:19 PM on March 22, 2007 :
People were murdered.  I guess by your standards then the laws against murder have failed.  People have stolen, so the laws against stealing have failed.  What would you suggest?  Stiffer penalties for offenders?


sure why not....most of the criminal eleent is back on the street before the paperwork is fininshed...if you want to look at it that way about laws failing all of them have failed in one way or another.

now have you looked up to see how gun control has failed in the 20th and the 21st century yet....in case that doesn't make sense again, here, show what has happened when ever people have had their rights to own and to bear arms removed by governments...and then look at that cost in human lives.





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You're right.  Those British people have really.... oh wait, nevermind.


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