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This is a flat-top rifle with a 20 inch barrel.  
Just as said before multiple times:
BLAME THE PERSON PULLING THE TRIGGER AND COMMITTING THE CRIMES.  DO NOT BLAME THE TOOL USED AND DO NOT  BLAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO OWN FIREARMS.  THEY ARE NOT THE CRIMINAL.  THE CRIMINAL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS AND HE SHOULD BE MADE ACCOUNTABLE.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:04 PM on October 24, 2002 | IP
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so what is the debate...i think gun control is all about hitting your target...its about aim not taking away our rights.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 02:59 AM on October 25, 2002 | IP
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We should do all we can to restrict a criminals access to guns, provide law enforcement with all the tools needed to solve crimes, and allow law abiding citizens to own guns.  what part do you disagree with?
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:44 AM on October 25, 2002 | IP
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Its the indian not the arrow.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 8:25 PM on October 26, 2002 | IP
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maybe, but we can still make an effort to prevent the indian whose arrows keep finding settler's throats from obtaining more arrows.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 9:26 PM on October 26, 2002 | IP
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You have been trying to control the arrows for 70 years (I count the NFA34 as the beginning).
You have FAILED.  You have failed miserably.
Gun control doesn't make anybody safer.  All the millions of dollars of expense and what do you have?  You have people who die because you can't handle facing the real problem.
Gun Control makes people LESS safe.  People are promised that they will be safe because there are less guns, and you FAIL them.
Because they believed you, they die.
Now, it's time for the real men to step in and start working on the real problem.  The real problem is those who want to victimize people will victimize regardless of the tools that are made unavailable to them.  Victimizers only understand power.  
You present only weakness.
You make everybody less safe because of it.
People die because they trusted you to make them safe.
Now, step aside, and let people who understand the problem solve it.
 


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"maybe, but we can still make an effort to prevent the indian whose arrows keep finding settler's throats from obtaining more arrows."

Considering the indians made thier own arrows, i'd say it would be an exercise in futility.

Also considering that the same could be done for firearms....
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 3:45 PM on January 29, 2004 | IP
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My next gun will be a Bushmaster AR15 A2 handle with bayonet lug, flash suppressor, and 20" barrel.  16" barrels are more common.
 


Posts: 4 | Posted: 2:51 PM on September 25, 2005 | IP
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The only way to restrict criminal access to weapons is to make background checks mandatory. except in the case of parent/grandparent to children, or from and to people who've known each other for say five years and are certain beyond a shadow of a doubt of the other's good character.

Making background checks should be you call a toll-free number to the FBI, say the name of the person, you get a "yes," "no," or a "this is a wanted criminal hold position we're sending in reinforcements."  The person interested in purchasing the firearm should also display some kind of valid ID.
 


Posts: 10 | Posted: 4:52 PM on October 31, 2006 | IP
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Let me ask a honest question. At what point do you justify that someone with a criminal past does not have the right to defend himself/herself with a gun? Just because they were a criminal doesn't seem to justify not allowing them a gun if they use it for a legitimate purpose. After all, is this not a pro-gun argument? If you believe them to commit criminal acts in the first place, why allow them back into society? To test if they have changed their ways and see if they try to kill/rob again? Do you believe if you don't allow them to buy legitimate guns they won't acquire a gun anyways, is this not punishing those who have changed their ways? Is this not the argument against gun control?

I'm not advocating that criminals should have guns or making any form of argument either way. I am just curious to see the reasoning of what looks to be hypocrisy.
 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 12:38 PM on December 5, 2006 | IP
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I think most would argue that one who is a criminal has already proven themselves to be irreponsible.  One would assume that one would not wish for irresponsible people to be in possession of firearms.  If my children did not prove themselves to be responsible I surely wouldn't be asking them to use guns, knives, matches, gasoline or any other harmful items.  And yes, one could argue that anything has the "potential" to be harmful, but somethings (guns especially) are specifically created to be harmful.  


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If they are proven irresponsible to the point where they do not deserve equal rights as others and are banned to possess items that could potentially be harmful. Why introduce such irresponsibility into society? If such a person is harmful with a gun, would he/she not be harmful with a knife? A propane tank bomb? Surely they will be able to find weapons more potent than a gun.

I also would question why "designed to be harmful" poses any weight as to an objects potential use as a weapon. Do you let irresonsible use a car since it wasn't designed to be harmful?
 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 5:14 PM on December 5, 2006 | IP
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I trust the irresponsible with very little, but many people are more dense than I.


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If the problem is that irresponsible people are harmful when in possession of harmful materials, would it not be a wiser choice to control the irresponsible rather than control all harmful materials seeing that there are so many?

If a criminal is so deemed irresponsible, why are they released into the general population in the first place?
 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 11:39 AM on December 6, 2006 | IP
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Quote from Guest at 3:45 PM on January 29, 2004 :
"maybe, but we can still make an effort to prevent the indian whose arrows keep finding settler's throats from obtaining more arrows."

Don't you think that you could also prevent the indian from killing settlers by allowing the settlers to defend themselves instead of disarming them? It used to be in this country if a crimminal broke in to your home and you shot and killed him it was the criminals fault, and there was one less criminal. Now you will be prosecuted for manslauter or murder because you chose to defend yourself and family. Dosn't this seem wrong to you?

You could also prevent the Indian from killing settlers by puting him in prison for life or executing him this way he won't switch to knives or something else when the guns are gone...  
Considering the indians made thier own arrows, i'd say it would be an exercise in futility.

You are right.

Also considering that the same could be done for firearms....

Yes it can, you can make a firearm from piece of pipe and even a tightly rolled up magazine.





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Posts: 127 | Posted: 10:53 AM on December 10, 2006 | IP
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I personally believe that using capital punishment would reduce murders. Think would you kill some one if you knew that when you were captured, you would be hung out to dry?


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