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Quote from Guest at 8:08 PM on January 29, 2003 :
Hallo Everyone,
Why do you Americans need guns?

So if guns work so greatly for your safety, why isn't America the safest place in the world?

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Your quite correct.  I really don't need firearms if you play odds.  But that is also a lottery I would not want to win.  

I simply enjoy sport shooting and hunting.  If firearms bring me happiness, then that is reason enough to own them.  I don't need a reason to justify them to anyone.  I don't need to explain why I want them.  It is my God given right to have them.

As an instrument of violence?  That depends on the use.  I have to take a lot of instruction in yoga, medation, and relaxation to shoot in competition.  Violence and anger is the last thing on my mind when I am shooting in a compeition.  When I am trying to shoot bulleyes I am the peaceful person on the planet.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 01:14 AM on January 30, 2003 | IP
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Hallo Pie,

I think I got that, but what kind of society is it, where people need guns for their protection?

Don't you think you should aim for a society that doesn't need guns?

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Posts: 0 | Posted: 08:26 AM on January 30, 2003 | IP
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Hallo Kevin,

of course, I agree with that. Sports are an exeption. I like to watch shooting at the olympic games for example. But the guns i see there look much different from the ones in weapon exhibitions I saw in America, much different to sportrifles.
With hunting I have the problem, that I don't think good of killing animals for entertainment.

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Posts: 0 | Posted: 08:35 AM on January 30, 2003 | IP
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A dangerous society is one where people need guns for protection-amd the US doesn't seem to be terribly safe when compared to other countries. And you cannot aim for a society that has no guns, as you can only prohibit the law abiding from owning them. Criminals can still snag em from here and there, even produce them-and then the ones who really need them for self defense are in trouble. The police can't protect you all the time. Hell, a court ruled that the cops have no legal obligation to protect citizens.


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Posts: 202 | Posted: 2:08 PM on January 30, 2003 | IP
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Quote from Guest at 08:35 AM on January 30, 2003 :
Hallo Kevin,

of course, I agree with that. Sports are an exeption. I like to watch shooting at the olympic games for example. But the guns i see there look much different from the ones in weapon exhibitions I saw in America, much different to sportrifles.
With hunting I have the problem, that I don't think good of killing animals for entertainment.

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Hodie Soren:

Don't be fooled by the look of a weapon.  There are sport rifles that shoot farther, are more accurate, and whose bullets carry more energy than military rifles.  That is why assault rifles are not used to hunt water buffalo or elephants.

Do you agree with fishing?  Fishing also kills animals.  There is a double standard with people who disagree with hunting.  It seems sometimes that killing cute animals is bad but killing ugly animals is OK?  Hunting is very necessary.  Without it prey animal populations would explode and destroy the environment.  There are no more large animals that eat meat in this country anymore.

 


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Using Kelvin's argument above I can justify doing drugs.

I simply enjoy doing drugs and getting high. If drugs bring me happiness, then that is reason enough to own them.  I don't need a reason to justify them to anyone.  I don't need to explain why I want them.  It is my God given right to have them.




(Edited by skyhigh 1/31/2003 at 11:05 PM).
 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 11:03 PM on January 31, 2003 | IP
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This link ought to really remind everyone of what, in a practical sense, we're fighting for:

http://www.alaskareport.com/armedcitizen/index.htm
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 12:05 AM on February 10, 2003 | IP
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Quote from Guest at 8:27 PM on August 19, 2002 :
Its a sticky issue, but I'll explain why I go for PRO gun control.

1) The single purpose and design of a gun is to kill things. Living things. With hand guns, assault rifles; usually people.

2) If your government or another is suppressing your liberty, and the populace truely rises up against it - truely nothing can stop it. Guns aren't needed in the meanwhile. And besides your government and any other government capable of invading has vast amounts of every type of weapon imaginable, guns in themselves won't help.

3) Controlling by age works only partially, if a person doesn't know their own mind by 18 or whenever, then 21/25/etc won't be much better. Gun control should be more complete than ages.

4) Outlaws that kill with guns are not top notch outlaws, more usually the mugger and the penny thieves. The phrase "If you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns" is only partially true since outlaws of course can get guns, but gun deaths arn't just caused by criminals that (in truely controled environment) would have to go out of their way to get one.

5) Guns as self-defense?!? Where do you live that you need to kill with a gun to viably protect yourself? Passive security and avoiding bad situations are far more productive.

Still. There are good CON arguments and the debate's extremes tend to wipe them selves out. So it comes down to a gutfeeling really. Does our society need guns or not? One less freely availible weapon for killing mightn't improve things much, but it certainly won't harm society.


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Dear Guest
Can we please see some numbers that say gun control even works.  I have found numbers that say it doesnt.  You can see them on most of the threads here.  From 1997 to 2001 gun crime went up 41.7% in the U.K. That seems to support that it would hurt society, and what would you say "passive security" is exactly and how do you "avoid a bad situation" if it comes to your home.  If there is an intruder in your house yes ofcourse you would call the police but where I live police respond much faster to car accidents than they do home invasion calls.  In that time you are waiting for police to come would you rather have a gun to defend youself and your family or would you like to use "passive security" to thwart the intruder.


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Posts: 11 | Posted: 10:14 AM on February 18, 2003 | IP
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Dear members


Ya but if you look at texas you will see that crime has fallen. They are aloud guns in texas, so the criminals are afraid to rob a store or an old lady because the they may have a gun.
If the criminal has a gun and nobody else has one, they will take everything you have. But if the inicent person has a gun also, it is a known fact that the criminal will not rob him or her. Criminals are looking for any easy steal or easy get away.  
Guns are a tool, good or bad it is used as hunting or killing (if in the wrong hands).

 


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Quote from Guest at 11:40 PM on December 10, 2002 :
fallingupwards said, "...no matter what laws NY and LA have, they will ALWAYS have a higher crime rate (although gun control reduces it)..."

Virtually every time that gun control is introduced, the crime rate skyrockets.  Check the crime statistics for Australia and England.  Closer to home, check the stats for Washington D. C.  I'm not as familiar with those from NY or LA, but I'd be willing to bet that they mirror the results of the other examples provided.

Citizens in those areas don't have an effective means of self defense.  Criminals move where its least dangerous to do business.



Here is a link that provides clarification of the "statistics" used by the opponents of gun control.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 8:36 PM on February 7, 2004 | IP
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I notice that most of the anti-control people seem to think that if all people had guns no one would ever get robbed. I don't see this as reasonable. If all persons had guns, criminals would simply adjust how they conducted their business. They would shoot you dead before you knew they were coming and then steal your belongings.

The second amendment issue is a bit vague as well. All the pro gun people keep saying that the right to "keep and bear arms" cannot be taken away. But this is supposed to be as part of a "well regulated militia". They seem to forget this part every time. I have heard some claim that registering for the draft takes care of this.  If this were true women would not be allowed to posess fire arms.  And a name in a computer database that may spit your name up for the dradt is hardly well regulated.

 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 8:44 PM on February 7, 2004 | IP
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Look at Kennessaw GA, They passed a law that every household was to have a gun, obviously, this is not enforced. But, the number of household buglary and armed robbery attempts dropped over 50% after the ordinance was in place. The fact is that most petty criminals do not want to "shoot you in the head when your not lookin" they would mostly prefer to be the one with the advantage of having the gun in you face, and you not having one at all. Thus, areas with the strictist gun control laws tend to have the most robbery and mugging. I'm nit saying that you have to make everyone own a gun but would you rather rob someone who you know had a gun or someone who you know would not have one. example, in New York city hardly any law abiding citizen is going to have a hand gun, much less carry it with them. Its sort of a muggers paradise isn't it. I don't have any links but if someone doesn't believe me you can find records from the BATF on the internet.
 


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The only true gun control that we have is education because the human race is one that is selffish and some will do anything within their power to achive more power.  Besides all most all crimanals are mor affraid of meeting an armed victem than an armed police officer


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