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 I believe in the right to keep and bear arms. To make it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns makes it easyer for them to be harmed. I was abused by my 2nd husband and a so called friend was going to beat me up; with my ex-husband he was going to beat me to death because I turned him in to DSS for wanting to have sex with my teenage daughter but before he had a chance to hurt me I pointed a gun at him and he left I was not hurt that day as for my so called friend he was going to beat me up to get my money I had over 10 thousand dollars from a land sale that he wanted to steal untill he saw my gun at that time he changed his mind my money stayed with me and he left me alone. In my opinion no one has the right to take my guns away they saved my life just by being there. I'm now a Gun Dealer and proud of it, to me it is an honor to help others with a means of protecting themselves that will work and not endanger them.   Peace and Love GunLady


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hmmmm... did it ever occur to u that possibly, just possibly that if ud shot te gun ud have lost ur money and possibly ur daughter by murdering ur assaulter??? and did u realize that the guns ur selling could be causing great harm to people world-wide???! not that i do not have pity for u
 


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Guns do help.  check out an admin modded topic.


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ur supposed to debate and supply ur opinoin in this amtter and back it up....
 


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sorry.  Guns can save lives, but in a bad way.  We should not have any burgalers.  Guns suck.. War sux.  Less death.  Fight with meat balls or something pleasant.


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In a perfect your ideas would work but unfortunalty we don't live in a perfect world and there will always be wars, always be guns and always be burglars.  

"The greatest way to start a war is by peace."     --- Albert Einstein


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But if we used meatballs for war, it would be GOOD.  Less death.  more commies!  more sauce...


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hmmmm...the only reason people steal is because we dont realize that we must always have more...we use up our resources at a great waste....i only use wat i need to to keep me happy...people like bill gates squander it
 


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To have any counter-discussion on this particular area seriously calls into question the goal of "If it just saves one life...!"
A gun saved a life, and the gun hater's true colors are revealed, painfully, starkly.  And there is not a thing the gun hater can do but shut up or continue to make him/herself look very foolish.
 


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Hi, I'm just a little 12 yr old grl, I'm in a debate team, and I have dicovered that the more guns that are free roaming in this country, the more deaths there are. Have you ever thought if you didnt have that gun, something wouldnt have happened. Your husband might not have gone through on beating you to death, maybe, youu wouldnt have your 10thousand dollars stolen anyway. And, you also could have gone to the police. If you did fire, intentinally or not, you could have had a major lawsuit filed against you, and you could have lost all your money and been imprisoned. Guns dont solve all problems. And i agree with that guy who suggested meatballs as an alternative way to fight..So, think this through, over 100,000 people die each yr just with freak accident or drive by shootings, who knows, you might have a gun pointed at you one day. Thank You
 


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If you have to shoot somebody for self defense, make sure they are dead, then there is only one story, and in this messed up world the less stories the better.


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100,000 people die a year by freak accidents with guns?  That number might be a little high.


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millions of people are killed by guns every year. and that statistic is not exaggerated


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Ummm....where did you get that information? Millions killed yearly? Gotta link?

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just look at all the civil wars in africa and other third world countries. guns kill those people too. or maybe they shouldnt count as real people.


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As I said, do you have any proof?
 


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here are some cool facts about guns:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/research/firefacts.asp


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"In 1998, 30,708 people in the United States died from firearm-related deaths – 12,102 (39%) of those were murdered; 17,424 (57%) were suicides; 866 (3%) were accidents; and in 316 (1%) the intent was unknown.v In comparison, 33,651 Americans were killed in the Korean War and 58,193 Americans were killed in the Vietnam War.vi"
Note that 17,000 of these were suicides. Do you think that someone bent on killing themselves won't because they have no firearms? A furthar 12,000 were murdered-gun control doesn't stop murder. Criminals will obtain guns through illegal means and use them-ever hear of the black market?



"In 1996, handguns were used to murder 2 people in New Zealand, 15 in Japan, 30 in Great Britain, 106 in Canada and 9,390 in the United States.viii"
Note that these are numbers-not rates.

"In 1999, there were only 154 justifiable homicides by private citizens in the United States.ix" In most cases when firearms are used defensively, the gun is simply brandished, or a warning shot fired. The threat of death is usually enough.


"In 1998, more than 10 children and teenagers, ages 19 and under, were killed with guns everyday.x" Not that this includes people up to 19-and we all know how innocent 18 year old's shooting each other in gang wars are.


"In 1998, gunshot wounds were the second leading cause of injury death for men and women 10-24 years of age – second only to motor vehicle crashes.xi" Note the 10-24 age grouping. Clearly, this is a very small affected group-HCI is wildly trying anything they can to scare the public.

"In 1998, firearm homicide was the leading cause of death for black males ages 15-34.xii"
See last. By the by, where do they get these stats?

"From 1993 through 1997, an average of 1,409 children and teenagers took their own lives with guns each year.xiii" Guns make suicide easier-but lack of one won't stop it.

"Each year during 1993 through 1997, an average of 1,621 murderers who had not reached their 18th birthdays took someone's life with a gun.xiv" Can we see the stats involving other means, please? They could be very revealing.



"For every time a gun is used in a home in a legally-justifiable shooting [note that every self-defense is legally justifiable] there are 22 criminal, unintentional, and suicide-related shootings.xv" I believe this is a downsized version of the infamous 43:1-which can be disproved in any number of ways.
1)Suicide was included, and it made up the majority of the deaths. And less guns do not mean less suicide. Look at Japan.
2)The study only took into account when there was a legally justifiable homocide. But these make up a very small portion of the 2.5 million DGU's (defensive gun uses) per year. The study did not take the cases when a weapon is simply brandished or fired into the air into account. These two facts alone turn the study around, into favoring the pro-gun side.

"The presence of a gun in the home triples the risk of homicide in the home.xvi" PLease back this up with a link containing the facts behind it, as it is a direct contradiction as to what has just been said.

"The presence of a gun in the home increases the risk of suicide fivefold.xvii" See last.


"A study of all direct and indirect costs of gun violence including medical, lost wages, and security costs estimates that gun violence costs the nation $100 billion a year.xviii"Firearms being sold legally bring income to the government, more legal firearms in the hands of private citizens would lower security costs, and when the medical price of firearms injuries is compared to that of others (ex, car injuries, ect) you will see it is not that much.


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Just noticed I'm under "guest"....can you see my name yet?


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ok guys, we showed you the facts that you asked us for. so what do you have to say now?


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 10:44 AM on December 3, 2002 :
ok guys, we showed you the facts that you asked us for. so what do you have to say now?



what are you talking about?  


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you asked for facts about guns and we gave them to you


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I just demolished what was said on the Brady Bunch website. Find something that presents a viable challenge.

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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 7:52 PM on December 3, 2002 :
you asked for facts about guns and we gave them to you



i thought you where anti-gun?  that info just doesnt seem to support your side.


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on the contrary, all of those facts supported gun control



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Do you suppose he actually read what I put down?

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first of all, i was talking about the link that i provided, not what the guest wrote. secondly, even the guest's facts supported gun control. it said that the presence of a gun inside of a home increased the chance of a family member commiting suicide


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Come one, man! Read what I said when I responded! I put the Brady Bunch "facts" down in quotes, and screwed 'em over. Now, gotta response?
 


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c'mon man...read what i said!! i said that i was referring to the link that I provided, not your crappy "facts"


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I did read what you said. Now, are you going to come up with a response, or can I drop it?

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For furthar information, both of these sites are informative.
The Cody Express
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GunCite

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i'm going to have to repeat myself once again by giving u that link that i already provided b4:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/research/firefacts.asp

that is what i meant by facts that support gun control. any more questions?

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Okay....I went to that page. I copied the information. I posted it here, and came up with rebuttals for 90 percent of them. Now, I ask, do you have any ammunition left after that with which to continue?

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yes i do. once again, when i said that i provided evidence that supports gun control, i was NOT referring to your crappy rebuttals. they made no sense at all


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Ok, so what, i didnt see the link

anyway, mostly i agree with Pie's rebuttals to those facts.  the thing is it is hard to get 100% truthful facts on any reports.   you always get peoples bias's, for example; fallingupwards for info to support gun control, and pie found info to shoot it down.

ill make a more educated response in a minute after i read the so called facts again.


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Here's my 2 cents. As I said in another post, most criminals are cowardly and lazy (most, not all). You will be amazed at how your outlook on life can change while looking down the barrel of a loaded .45. If a thief knows a house has a weapon (note: weapon, not just a gun) that can be used against him/her, the reality of possible death sets in. I for one have trouble sleeping if I do not have a readily availible for of self-defence around. As for suicide, I support the idea that if thery are desperate enough to kill themself, a gun will only make it a little easier.


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Well, please explain why my answers made no sense. Or, if I am correct, you can't.
 


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because they didnt agree with him.


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Probably true.
 


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Quote from Guest at 12:22 AM on December 4, 2002 :
I just demolished what was said on the Brady Bunch website. Find something that presents a viable challenge.

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you there little girl, shut ur mo9uth ok? guns are bad they kill people, but they also save lives, we cant get rid of them, so stop acting like you know everything about guns! sheesh
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In 1996, more than 1300 children aged 10-19 committed suicide with firearms. The problem with using a firearm to commit suicide rather than any other weapon, is that firearms are always going to kill you no matter what and a depressed teenager will never get a second chance at life. 2/3 of all teen suicides are done with a firearm. seems to me that if we banned the sale of firemarms from here on out, the suicide rate would go down with it.


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if someone wants to kill them selves they will do it.  You mean to tell me there are no 3 story buildings where these people live that kill themselves?  There is no poison, ropes, or knifes?

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did you not read what i had said? a firearm will kill you no matter what, if you cut yourself with a knife then you can still have a chance to change your mind. the fact of the matter is, firearms are used 2/3 of the time and households with firearms have a greater chance of having something like suicide happen than a household without a firearm. you cannot argue with statistics!!!

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Wanna bet? If someone really wanst to kill themself, a gun just makes it a little easier. If someone just wants attention, to show a loved one or the world in general that they have a major problew, they will simply take a bottle of sleeping pills and go to a hospital. Or slit their wrist the "wrong" way and get picked up by a parent. Or something like that. If they REALLY want to die, they get a gun. Its just easier! If you're wanting attention and lack the dedication to go all the way, you simply shoot yourself! (some sarcasm)


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"a firearm will kill you no matter what, ".
Yes, so will jumping off a 20 story building.


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ok, but how many people have access to a 20 story building? if everyone has access to a gun then that would be much easier than jumping off a building that you cant even get to


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If someone really wants to kill themselves they are going to do it.  A gun just makes it easier.  So because of this you think we should ban them all together?


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increased suicide rates are not the only reason why guns should be more tightly controlled or banned all together...if you want i can give you more statistics


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 01:12 AM on December 13, 2002 :
increased suicide rates are not the only reason why guns should be more tightly controlled or banned all together...if you want i can give you more statistics



please do.


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ok here we go (i know you're just going to rebuke every statistic i give you so i will just give them one at a time so you can respond to it)


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