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you guys like to argue that people often use in self defense. well what do you have to say about this statistic:  in 1995, there were 21,597 people murdered, 12,066 with handguns, yet only 179 justifiable homicides by civilians using handguns to defend themselves.


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that means if there is a reported death by a handgun, then the chance that it was done by a criminal is 98.5%....the chance that it was done in self-defense is then obviously only 1.5%


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Why do you always post like 4 times in a row?


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so you have no response to my statistic? was it too much for you?


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you are just saying justified homicides, what about the instances where the person being attacked just branished the gun and the attacker ran off?


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true, not only that but, u probably should not load the gun, or if you do just carry two bullets such as in this order
1: branish the weapon to scare the attacker
2: is the attacked presumes you are carrying a weapon with no bullets and contnues to steal or attack, shoot he/she in the foot
3: should this not happen, kill the attacker and call the ambulance, should you not have killed the attacker he/she could sue
-i am xenjael
 


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thats a statistic that is impossible to get. but the fact of the matter is, when a gun goes off it is 67 times more likely that it is a criminal


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true, but one of my dear friends had that happen to them.
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*sighs loudly, considers having debate with self as it would provide a much larger challenge than that of doing so with FU*

"in 1995, there were 21,597 people murdered, 12,066 with handguns, yet only 179 justifiable homicides by civilians using handguns to defend themselves."
DGU's(defensive gun uses) occur roughly 2.5 million times a year in the US. Extremely few of these are justifiable homocides. Over 400,000 of the yearly DGUs are believed, by those who did them, to have prevented a death.

If you want to check where I got the figure from, read "More Guns, Less Crime".


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The chances of an honest law obeying person killing someone in defense is alot less then a person simply pulling a gun and the criminal running off.  No your statistic wasn't to much for me, answer the question I asked you, why do you post four times about one thing in a row.  Trying to raise your post count or something?


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how did you know?


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As I said, read Klecks book. It'll make things much clearer.


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Quote from Maynard at 6:15 PM on December 13, 2002 :
you are just saying justified homicides, what about the instances where the person being attacked just branished the gun and the attacker ran off?



Maynard, branishing a gun is against the law.  The firearm stays in the holster until your are ready to shoot.  If there is enough time that I can try to talk to an attacker, I'm going to give a warning that I'm going to count to 3.  If he is still there at 2, I'll pull my weapon and shoot and not wait for 3.

If you don't shoot your attacker can call the cops and have you arrested.
 


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But it does happen many, many times. Over 2 million times a year.


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[b][color=blue]It is your right quaranteed under the constitution to have an opion just as it as it quarantees your right to own guns.  Our forefathers did not write the constitution so that we may pick what rights we want and what ones we don't for to tread on the rights of another is as bad as someone treading on your rights.

The statistics stated in this site are slanted very anti gun and some comments border on stupid.  To suggest this brave woman allow her daughter to be abused or herself rather than scare off an attacker out of fear of loss of material wealth shows a total lack of morals.  What do you own that is worth the life of an individual.

There are 25 million guns registered in the US and an estimated addittional 50 million that were manufactured before registration.  That's 75 million guns.  Some studies show this number to be much much higher.  This is reality and new laws will not change this for people will not just hand them over.  Laws are like the locks on your door, they are intended to keep the honest people honest for the law breaker will pay no attention to either.  

Do you really expect your local burgler or mugger to turn his gun in especially if the government doesn't know he has it.  If he would he would be turning his drugs in now.  NYC, Maryland, and Calafornia have the strictest gun laws in the country but yet they are the most dangerous to live for all their laws do is insure is that the criminal will not be hindered by a gun for only he has one.

Agreed as a society we must do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of the irresponsible.  This is accomplished now by background checks and stiff gun related crime punishments but yet your own statistics show they are not working.

If we agree a gun does not have a personality and is an tool, then what is the source for crime.  It is people with low morals or no morals.  If you want to have dispair look at the statistics of who is committing the crimes and in what age groups.  You will find they are young, poor, and come from broken homes.  We as a society encourage this through our government.  "Yes, daughter you are now 16. You can now get pregnant and get your own apartment and welfare check."  Faced with starvation many fathers give up their famillies so that they may apply for welfare for they are forbidden.  How many of you have said, "He's a good kid but doesn't stand a chance."  It's that kid that commits the crime not the gun he buys in a back alley.
 


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I can't belive you are still hanging on to the belief that gun control will cure depression.

You are right that you will stop some sucides.  But you are not addressing the root cause.  Gun control will cure depression the same way cough syrup will cure AIDS.

(Edited by kelvin90703 1/6/2003 at 8:56 PM).
 


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 11:57 PM on December 12, 2002 :
ok, but how many people have access to a 20 story building? if everyone has access to a gun then that would be much easier than jumping off a building that you cant even get to



Who really know what goes on in the mind of a depressed person commiting sucide?

-Let me stick foot in mouth here-
I hazard to guess that a firearm would be the painless way to go.  You don't loose IQ points when your sucidal.

Germans have an obsession wth the autobahn.  They kill themselves by driving the wrong way and kill themselves in a head on crash.

Our country has an obsession with firearms.  

-Take foot out of mouth here-

You cure sucidal depression with medical treatment.

(Edited by kelvin90703 1/6/2003 at 9:24 PM).
 


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Hi Yanks,
I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It
has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new
law to
surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million
dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are
up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent,
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In
the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did
not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed.  There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the elderly.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
"successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this
data on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the
state Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens
save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the
law-abiding citizens. Take note Americans, before it's too late!

From Ed Chenel


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Quote from Patriotandproudofit at 2:38 PM on January 7, 2003 :
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Hi Mate:

I guess your really one sc**ed bloke.  I hope you did not have to give up any family antique firearms.  I am afraid we are right behind you.

What is really frightening is the United Nations is now trying to take private ownership of guns away from the whole world.  Can you image that countries whith no history of democracy or stable government are lecturing to the USA on how civilized  democratic citizens live!
 


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Quote from Xenjael at 9:20 PM on September 15, 2002 :
hmmmm... did it ever occur to u that possibly, just possibly that if ud shot te gun ud have lost ur money and possibly ur daughter by murdering ur assaulter??? and did u realize that the guns ur selling could be causing great harm to people world-wide???! not that i do not have pity for u

YOUR PITY SAVES NO LIVES!  This woman (Gunlady) was extremely brave and I applaud her actions.  You trample on the rights of the innocent and yet raise the rights of criminals on the same stage.  Here in America we have the RIGHT to protect our selves, our families, and our homes.  How can you even say "murdering your assualter" you make me sick.  I think I speak for most of us, certainly not you, when I say to hell with is life if he wants my life or the life of my family.  I would rather him die than anyone in my family suffer one ounce of pain for a criminals pleasure.  I could care a less for his life as he cares not for mine.  Maybe you put his life above that of yours and your family if so I do have pity for your family but none for you.  If you think guns are so bad then dont buy any.  I find it hard to believe that any DA would even think of prosecuting a woman for defending her daughter.  If so (like in NYC) there would be lawyers beating down her door to take the case and then sue the Justice Dept.  I know I would.  Maybe you would have let "your assaulter" murder you and your daughter if so I have only pity for your daughter and absolute disgust for you.




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Also from down under, just a few interesting things in addition to the last aussie

The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997).

"After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998."

THIS IS IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY, LEARN FROM IT
 


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You will never stop criminals, never stop crime, never stop war by taking away guns.  The mentalities of people would have to change, and they never will.  I'm on the road hours eery day and I see that out of the dozens of neighbors I have, all of us being armed, not one has had a shooting either accidental or intentional.  I have 14 guns of varying kinds.  I also see death and horror EVERY DAY on the road.  From what?  Something everybody has and has a license for, which many of them abuse, and the abusers would never own guns because they think they are too dangerous:  Automobiles.  People speed, they drink, they take chances, and they kill everyday.  

Cars kill far more people than guns do, and with far more people causing it with full knowledge.  I have seen it with my own eyes.  I own guns, I shoot them and enjoy them, and I dont run from facts.  
 


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What safed your life Gunlady is the fact that you stood up against him.
You happend to choise the worst way to do that because a gun is a very dangerous thing that does more harm then good.
Especialy if you want to protect your daughter it is smart go get guns as far way from her as posible.

Compair america (the land where ppl can own guns) to lands where guns are forbidden. You will see that america is far more dangerous.
So The conclusion is simple. Guns are NOT good, they are BAD

GUNS ARE BAD
 


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Quote from Xenjael at 9:20 PM on September 15, 2002 :
hmmmm... did it ever occur to u that possibly, just possibly that if ud shot te gun ud have lost ur money and possibly ur daughter by murdering ur assaulter??? and did u realize that the guns ur selling could be causing great harm to people world-wide???! not that i do not have pity for u





Better broke than dead. And if she had killed the bastard, no real loss for the world...  Do you understand the way America works right now, 3 guys could break into my house in the middle of the night, and if I shot them I would go to jail? If you can't see what is wrong with that get out of my country... canada has some nice gun control laws you might find enjoyable...I have a right to defend my family, my home, and myself.
 


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 08:08 AM on December 13, 2002 :
you guys like to argue that people often use in self defense. well what do you have to say about this statistic:  in 1995, there were 21,597 people murdered, 12,066 with handguns, yet only 179 justifiable homicides by civilians using handguns to defend themselves.


"Lies, damn lies and statistics"

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Better broke than dead. And if she had killed the bastard, no real loss for the world...  Do you understand the way America works right now, 3 guys could break into my house in the middle of the night, and if I shot them I would go to jail? If you can't see what is wrong with that get out of my country... canada has some nice gun control laws you might find enjoyable...I have a right to defend my family, my home, and myself.


Too true, there was a case a while back where a guy broke into a house, and fell on a knife, impailing himself. he sued the home owners
AND WON!!!


This has nothing to do with the courts themselves, it's the collective stupidity of the jury!!

(Edited by Relic 4/12/2005 at 6:05 PM).


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I have a great idea, since motor vehicles cause more death and destruction, why don't we ban cars, but why stop there? We could ban play, running, walking, and swimming. We could even ban living, if there is nobody living, nobody can get killed.


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Do you honestly not understand the difference between banning an object that someone can use for a purpose other than what it was created for and banning an object that was created for only one purpose?


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A gun was designed to project a projectile at high speed. I could make a car much more dangerous than a gun.


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Many things can project projectiles at high speeds.  Guns were designed to kill.  Period.


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Many things can project projectiles at high speeds.  Guns were designed to kill.  Period.


Funny...I haven't used my guns to kill anything, nor do I intend to use them to kill anything. I've used my knife to kill some worms for fishing though. What was it designed to do again?
 


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Guns have no other purpose than to project projectiles. Only guns that are in the hands of crimminals are designed to kill other civilians, and since the criminal will have a gun, you might as well arm the law abiding civilian if he wishes to be armed.


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I can use a car as a paperweight... that doesn't mean that being a paperweight is what it was designed to be.  If all you need is something that projects projectiles, then you can use a pea shooter.


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Some guns are designed for the sole purpose of target practice. And this can go to extremes. In some states it is illegal to own a paint ball gun. The only way that one of those can kill you is if you are using it improperly, sound like the car incident.


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I'd be highly surprised if anyone here is talking about paint guns (or rubber band guns), etc.


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However, in some communities that is what they are doing. In England they are trying to ban all kitchen knives more than three inches long, and they were not designed to kill people.

(Edited by SilverStar 1/12/2007 at 5:17 PM).


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I can use a car as a paperweight... that doesn't mean that being a paperweight is what it was designed to be.  If all you need is something that projects projectiles, then you can use a pea shooter.

That's not the entire qualification to possessing a firearm. That's like saying you don't need cars just  15hp scooters.

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So, in your mind, what was the designer thinking when he designed the handgun (yes, the one that fires BULLETS)?


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To make a weapon that one could use to defend ones self with. It would be used first, because a gun can be drawn faster than a sword. After the shot was fired the person would draw his sword to take on any other attackers. It was ideal for the wealthy business man, because they were not used to fighting but with a gun they were no longer as easy of a target.

Field officers used handgun, because they commonly wouldn't directly engage in the fight, but if they needed to they could defend themselves.

The hand gun serves best as defense, only crimminals used them as assault weapons.


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How do you "defend" yourself with a gun?  Guns weren't designed to defend.  They were designed to kill without getting within range of the opponent's weapon.  Shields, suits of armor, pommels of swords... these are for protection... guns are designed to kill.  Anyone who says different is just spin doctoring.


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Their are two ways to defend ones self. The first is to have armor, however armor is heavy, and will not protect you from a determined attacker. The second form of defense is to eliminate the threat. The USS New Jersey  has sever automated anti missile defensive guns, their job is to eliminate the missile before it hits the armor plating. You use tour armor as a last resort. By eliminating the threat you ensure that the threat will not continue to shoot at you.


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True, and when they invent bullet-stopping-bullets, I will agree with you.  Currently, the only way to stop a bullet with a gun is to shoot the attacker before he shoots you.  


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The threat is the attacker. that i my point. the same protective guns on the USS NEW Jersey are designed to shoot down attacking aircraft as well. By shooting down the aircraft you stop it from attacking you. Likewise when you shoot the attacker you are stopping him from attacking you.


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Ergo, guns were designed to kill.  


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That would be their main function. But what is better, a dead victim or a dead attacker?


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I'll let God decide.  By the way, what would be their secondary function?


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Recreational target shooting, and hunting.


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Hmmm. If you take killing out of the equation.  And you don't need a handgun to kill a deer.  What are you practicing for with your target shooting?  Archery would certainly be a better display of skill.


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You are entirely erred by thinking people carry guns to protect themselves from bullets. People carry guns to protect themselves from other PEOPLE. If you can devise a passive device/method designed to protect against "people" then by all means enlighten us.


So, in your mind, what was the designer thinking when he designed the handgun (yes, the one that fires BULLETS)?

Again this question is too broad. There are many designers of handguns and each designer designs multiple handguns designated for a different purpose. For example, a design that counters your "guns are designed to kill" generalization is the Olympic Rapid Fire pistol from High Standard. It was designed for the rapid fire portion of the small bore pistol competition in the Olympic Games.



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So you're saying that someone thought, we need to have an Olympic event.  Let's invent the handgun....  right.  Gotcha.

As for your first comment, outside of the military I have never, ever owned a gun in my life.  I have also been involved in confrontations over the years.  Even against people with guns.  I have never, ever been shot.  Nor have I ever handed over my wallet.  Use your brain.  That's my advice.  In situations where a gun was involved, I can almost guarantee that if I'd pulled a weapon, someone would be dead, possibly me, possibly someone I love, possibly some totally innocent bystander.  The life of my loved ones are not worth that risk to me.  You may think less of yours.

You carry a gun because you are prepared to use a gun.  You pull a gun because you've decided to use it now.  You aim a gun because you'ved decided who to kill.  It's really quite simple.


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