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Guns were designed for killing (more generally, it was an advancement in military technology - like the atomic bomb) but that doesn't mean it can't be used for protection. Matter of fact, the desire to own guns is much like a countries desire to have nukes. We want criminals to know we might also have a gun just like North Korea wants the US to know (or at least think) they have nukes.
That doesn't mean they are going to use them to kill (although they might) but it does, in a way, protect them by putting them at the nuclear table.

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The police don't carry weapons to kill someone, they carry them to protect themselves and each other. Right?


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Posts: 52 | Posted: 9:38 PM on January 17, 2007 | IP
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So you're saying that someone thought, we need to have an Olympic event.  Let's invent the handgun....  right.  Gotcha.

No. If you read it again, I said BECAUSE there was an Olympic event someone designed a handgun catered for that competition.


As for your first comment, outside of the military I have never, ever owned a gun in my life.  I have also been involved in confrontations over the years.  Even against people with guns.  I have never, ever been shot.  Nor have I ever handed over my wallet.  Use your brain.  That's my advice.  In situations where a gun was involved, I can almost guarantee that if I'd pulled a weapon, someone would be dead, possibly me, possibly someone I love, possibly some totally innocent bystander.  The life of my loved ones are not worth that risk to me.  You may think less of yours.


That is not an answer to my question. "Use your brain" is a cynical remark not a strategy.

How does your experience trump all others? Just, because in your situation you didn't need a gun does not mean all encouters will be exactly like yours.

Your remarks are overly general. If it were true that a gun will exacerbate any and ALL situations that you imply then we should disarm law enforcement and our military.


You carry a gun because you are prepared to use a gun.  You pull a gun because you've decided to use it now.  You aim a gun because you'ved decided who to kill.  It's really quite simple.


It's simply not true. I've carried guns multiple times and have not used them. I've aimed guns thousands of times and not killed anything.


(Edited by quatin 1/18/2007 at 4:20 PM).
 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 2:01 PM on January 18, 2007 | IP
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The fact remains... handguns WERE designed to kill.  They were not designed to protect.  Armor was designed to protect.  The idea that guns are for protection is niave at best, deceitful at worst.

That is an answer to your question.  If you can not use your intellect to get out of such a situation, then I'm sorry for you.

Are you telling me that you carry around a handgun with the intent of not using it no matter what happens?  Or are you telling me that you carry a handgun with the intent of using it if you deem it necessary and you just haven't found the opportunity yet?


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 07:37 AM on January 19, 2007 | IP
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The fact remains... handguns WERE designed to kill.  They were not designed to protect.  Armor was designed to protect.  The idea that guns are for protection is niave at best, deceitful at worst.

Again, not all handguns were designed for combat. The idea that weapons of offense can be used defensively has been paramount throughout human  history. Also, again I have to repeat that armor is a supplement to protection not the solution. Armor does not make you immortal. If that were true we can just give all our troops bullet resistant vests and they can go "defend" our country without any arms at all.


That is an answer to your question.  If you can not use your intellect to get out of such a situation, then I'm sorry for you.

Naive and simplistic answers like this only impede any solutions to anything. If this simple "use your head" statement is so magically effective then we don't need anything at all. Congress should have no problem solving the nations problems if you can just go and tell them "use your head".


re you telling me that you carry around a handgun with the intent of not using it no matter what happens?  Or are you telling me that you carry a handgun with the intent of using it if you deem it necessary and you just haven't found the opportunity yet?


I carry guns for many reasons, some of which are for transport and for range use.
 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 12:20 PM on January 19, 2007 | IP
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You carry a gun for transport?  Transporting what?  Bullets?

And again, your "all handguns" line is just a deception.  That's like saying that because you've now (years after they were invented) designed a sword that can hold liquid in the handle, that swords were designed to carry beverages, not to lop off body parts with.  I suppose I can make a car that doesn't run and say it was designed to be a paper weight.  Not even an idiot would try to tell me that this means cars were not designed for transportation, regardless of the fact that I'd designed one with no ability to transport in mind.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 4:04 PM on January 19, 2007 | IP
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You carry a gun for transport?  Transporting what?  Bullets?

Transport....as in to move things. As in to move my private property from one place to another.


And again, your "all handguns" line is just a deception.  That's like saying that because you've now (years after they were invented) designed a sword that can hold liquid in the handle, that swords were designed to carry beverages, not to lop off body parts with.  I suppose I can make a car that doesn't run and say it was designed to be a paper weight.  Not even an idiot would try to tell me that this means cars were not designed for transportation, regardless of the fact that I'd designed one with no ability to transport in mind.


It is not a deception. You are unwilling to acknowledge that things aren't as simple as you would like them to be. You cannot solve all problems merely by saying "use your head". You cannot generalize everything into one idealistic definition. There is a term for this called "stereotyping".

(Edited by quatin 1/19/2007 at 6:53 PM).
 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 6:51 PM on January 19, 2007 | IP
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You need a gun to transport your personal belongings?  And how does one stereotype an inanimate object?  


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 10:29 PM on January 19, 2007 | IP
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I have in my personal belongings some firearms. To get them somewhere else I store and transport them.

If we have to debate semantics. Stereotype also means to oversimplify a conception. You are stereotyping an inanimate object by oversimplifying it's image and use.
 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 12:13 AM on January 20, 2007 | IP
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I carry guns for many reasons, some of which are for transport and for range use.

You carry a gun for the pure reason of transporting it from place to place?  That's totally pointless.  "That's a nice aquarium. Where are the fish?"  "Oh, I didn't buy it to put fish in, I just like moving it from place to place" "..."


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:44 AM on January 20, 2007 | IP
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You carry a gun because you are prepared to use a gun.

You stated that. You were wrong. When I carry guns they are locked away in a case. Why is it pointless to carry things from place to place? Whenever you change residences do you just leave everything inside your house? How else do I get my guns to competitions, hunting lodges or a range? Perhaps if I tell the gun to just "use your head" it will just transport itself.

(Edited by quatin 1/20/2007 at 6:27 PM).
 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 4:08 PM on January 20, 2007 | IP
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So you are never, ever prepared to use your gun?  What is the purpose for carrying it then?  Certainly you kind find something less harmful to carry around if you just like to transport things.


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So you are never, ever prepared to use your gun?  What is the purpose for carrying it then?  


No, you are diverting from the topic again. You said:


You carry a gun because you are prepared to use a gun.


Which I took to mean when you are presently carrying a gun. I have carried guns, locked and unloaded; Without the intention of being prepared to use it while I'm carrying it.

Unless you meant "you are EVER prepared to use it"...which is a pointless statement to make.

I bought something, because I have use for it. You imply that the only use I have for it is to kill and everytime I am in possession or near a firearm I am prepared to kill. I have written that is an untrue stereotype. I've not used any of my firearms to kill and while in possession of my firearms I do not prepare myself to kill.



 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 7:08 PM on January 22, 2007 | IP
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So you honestly believe that if someone asks you if you "carry" a gun they mean "do you ever transport one from place to place?"


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 8:18 PM on January 23, 2007 | IP
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Yes. That's what carry is legally defined as. If you meant to make  "carry" mean loaded and holstered let us know when you use it so we don't get confused with the legal term of carry. The "Carry Law" in my state addresses carry on person and carry in vehicle whether they are unloaded or locked.
 


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The actual "Carry Law" has to do with carring concealed, loaded on your person. Most states allow you to carry "open", loaded on your person with no special permits. "open" means to carry out in the open so every one can see you are carring.  


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Posts: 127 | Posted: 10:47 AM on January 27, 2007 | IP
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That would be the "Carrying Concealed Weapon" (CCW) law, sometimes mistakenly shortened for the "Carry Law". Carry Law should be the generalization of all forms of carry.
 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 6:07 PM on January 29, 2007 | IP
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That is right. The right to carry laws which are CCW rights is confusing. It can get complicated and depends on which state you are in to it's meaning. In mass there is only one ccw which is called an LTC, Lic to carry and makes no  distinction between the two ways to carry. There are two diffrent LTC lic one is a High cap and the other is no more than 10 rd capacity. The hi capacity allows you to carry concealed loaded the lower cap the weapon has to be unloaded. Idiotic laws I know but what do you expect from a state that cotinualy relects Teddy...

(Edited by TRIGGER 1/29/2007 at 8:17 PM).


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Posts: 127 | Posted: 8:14 PM on January 29, 2007 | IP
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Guns dont kill  people do!  How many times have you heard that? well its true. Guns dont always kill no matter what ether. my brother put a 38 under his cin and pulled the trigger. he didnt die. He only go the gun and loaded it after he realized that the 300 pills he had taken earlier were not working as fast as he thought they should. He is still alive and has changed his life for the better.
 


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Gunlady, too bad your critics couldn't somehow step into your shoes for a moment. Self defense is a lost concept for many people. Glad you used your gun and came out alive, without even firing a shot.



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Posts: 2 | Posted: 2:36 PM on May 28, 2010 | IP
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Guns do safe lifes. no doubt about it.
However, the excessive use of guns in this country is just out of control!
Way to many air heads are able to purchase firearms. People that should not be allowed to own a house plant can buy handguns and assaultrifles and ending up abusing them.
It is just insane!
Strong restrictions MUST be put in place soon!
 


Posts: 12 | Posted: 10:25 AM on July 14, 2010 | IP
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Well, we have heard from one person who is supposedly alive because of a gun.

In the interest of balanced debate, so you think we could now hear from one of the roughly 300,000 Americans killed by a gun: either by homicide, suicide, or accident, in the last decade?

Any one of them want to speak up with their optinion about how guns save lives?

Oh....
right...


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 10:30 AM on July 14, 2010 | IP
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a gun safed my wife.
she was chased up a tree by a black bear and then went after her.
I was able to shoot the bear out of the same tree and safed her.

while serving a tour over  sea, I was atacked by a man larger than I with a knife. I sht him at a distance of less than 3 feet. his forward momnetum caused him to fall on me already dead (knocked the wind out of me).
so there are two.

I agree with you, Gaunt, that the gun issue is out of control here in the usa.
300 000 people killed in 10 year + 30 000 per year.
by 300 000 000 + people that makes it
0.09% of the population killed per year by firearms.
how many % where killed by traffic accidents, doctors and food poison?
the population increase in the usa far outways ths piddle 0,09%.

 


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I have never understood that silly argument.

Yes, more people are killed on the roads every year than are killed by guns. So what? Is something not considered significant until it passes the casualty figures of road deaths? Should we stop funding AIDS research or Colon cancer, because it kills fewer people every year than traffic accidents?

What on earth does it matter how many people die per year in cars? Or being struck by lightening, or choking on rice crispies? How does that make the 30,000 americans killed every year by firearms more or less significant?


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 3:33 PM on July 14, 2010 | IP
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what is your point?
there never will be a total removal of firearms from socierty.
that was shown in communist russia, that is a fact in china or the socialist europe of present day.
to say we safe X# of people if we remove this or that is hypothetical, as more peole are killed every day by illneses that can be prefented.
 


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Quote from Xenjael at 12:24 PM on September 30, 2002 :
hmmmm...the only reason people steal is because we dont realize that we must always have more...we use up our resources at a great waste....i only use wat i need to to keep me happy...people like bill gates squander it

People like Bill Gates (Gates particularly) donate billions to those that are not as fortunate.

Guns are good. People are bad. Please site (specific reference please) an article, photo or video of a gun that points itself and fires indescriminately at someone...


 


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