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The Gun grabbers would have you believe that if you submit to the registration of your firearms it would reduce crime. They tell you that if you register your guns, you could still use them for hunting and self-defense. History shows otherwise. It is a fact that every single nation that has required the registration of firearms has soon confiscated those firearms, leaving their citizens defenseless.

In 1911 Turkey established gun control. Subsequently, from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, deprived of the means to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.

In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents were arrested and executed.

In 1938 Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945 over 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill, union leaders, Catholics and others, unable to fire a shot in protest, were killed by the state.

In 1935 China established gun control. Between 1948 and 1952, over 20 million dissidents were rounded up and murdered by the Communists.

In 1956 Cambodia enshrined gun control. In just two years (1975-1977) over one million "educated" people (about 1/3 of the entire population!) were executed by the Reds.

In 1964 Guatemala locked in gun control. From 1964 to 1981 over 100,000 Mayan Indians were rounded up and killed, unable to defend themselves.

In 1970 the Ugandan dictator decreed gun control. During the next nine years over 300,000 Christians were murdered.

Over 56 million people have died, unable to defend themselves, because of gun control in the last century alone.

So much for keeping our guns if we register them. On the other hand, lenient gun laws mean less crime. In Switzerland, all males from the ages of 20 to 42 are required to have guns. The Swiss have almost no murders and a very low crime rate!

Some people say that the police are our protection therefore, we don't need guns. Here is where basic math comes into play. There are 271,933,702 people living in the United States. Currently, there are about 150,000 police officers on duty at any one time. This is on-duty police. This includes desk clerks, command sergeants, etc. - far fewer than 150,000 cops are cruising your neighborhood. Thus there is only one on-duty cop for every 1,813 citizens!

Now I'm not trying to badmouth the police. I am sure that they may mean well, but there's only so much they can do. There were 18,209 murder victims, 497,950 robbery victims, and 96,122 rape victims that the police could not help in 1997 alone.

Maybe if the gun-control crowd would just leave us good folk alone we could all sleep better.



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Posts: 58 | Posted: 7:29 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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Which begs the question... how many of those 18,209 murder victims, 497,950 robbery victims, and 96,122 rape victims were attacked with guns and how many were attacked with a Clark bar?


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 10:22 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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and that is why we keep guns because they cannot be verywhere all the time, so that is also the reason why self defense is important or do you not believe in self defense even if it meant taking a life to protect your family or yourself.


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Posts: 58 | Posted: 10:58 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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I absolutely believe in self defense.  I don't believe I have to hide behind a gun to do it.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:00 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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Quote from EMyers at 11:00 PM on March 22, 2007 :
I absolutely believe in self defense.  I don't believe I have to hide behind a gun to do it.


okay...but what about needing something other than just fists to deal with a criminal that is twice your size?

Hey I deal with criminals every damn day and they can get beligerant and when a gun is shoved in their face they slow down real fast...
but idf you have to have a gun in the middle of the night because you have an armed person in your home, you better figure out a way to deal with that situation very quickly because you are toast by the time you dial 911 if you still have a phone line....good lick you would need it.

me, i just use a gun if it were needed and no escape or amount of deterent was possible or if I was fired upon first...then I kill him right on the spot.





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Posts: 58 | Posted: 11:13 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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If he doesn't have a gun, then you don't need a gun.  If he does have a gun then he's probably already drawn it and you pointing one at him is only going to get you and yours killed.  Congratulations.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:15 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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Quote from EMyers at 11:15 PM on March 22, 2007 :
If he doesn't have a gun, then you don't need a gun.  If he does have a gun then he's probably already drawn it and you pointing one at him is only going to get you and yours killed.  Congratulations.


maybe maybe not...but i am not going to stand there and allow it and therin is the difference between standing up if needed against an armed thug and bowing down and dieing...

now be smart here and think...how do you propose in all your wisdom intend to take away gunsd from felons and the disarm around 90 million legal gun owners who are now criminals... it does not work that way.. but you already know that.





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Posts: 58 | Posted: 11:18 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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I don't remember ever proposing to disarm the population.  Perhaps you have me confused with some other poster.  Perhaps this "meyers" you keep quoting.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:21 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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Quote from EMyers at 11:21 PM on March 22, 2007 :
I don't remember ever proposing to disarm the population.  Perhaps you have me confused with some other poster.  Perhaps this "meyers" you keep quoting.



nope...i asked you emeyers how you in your wisdom are going to make it happen that all guns are gone so your criminal does not have one...





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Posts: 58 | Posted: 11:26 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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Has anyone seen "emeyers"?  Anyone?

Hmmm.  Guess he's not here.

I on the otherhand would hope that people would care enough about their families to not keep guns in their houses.  Apparently this is too much to ask of some people.  

Still, I've never confused gun control with gun elimination.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:31 PM on March 22, 2007 | IP
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Quote from EMyers at 11:31 PM on March 22, 2007 :
Has anyone seen "emeyers"?  Anyone?

Hmmm.  Guess he's not here.

I on the otherhand would hope that people would care enough about their families to not keep guns in their houses.  Apparently this is too much to ask of some people.  

Still, I've never confused gun control with gun elimination.





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I thought as much because you cannot see where taking guns away by legislation is not the same and would eventually lead to gun confiscation... so until you see that combination i doubt that you will get it right,,,  so I think this has become a rather boring and one sided discussion...
you apprently have no clue as to what it is all about do you?

I might be interested in seeing what it is that you call gun control...by defination...


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Posts: 58 | Posted: 08:54 AM on March 23, 2007 | IP
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gun control works pretty well just look at history and remember these guys...







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Posts: 58 | Posted: 09:19 AM on March 23, 2007 | IP
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Gun - a weapon consisting of a metal tube, with mechanical attachments, from which projectiles are shot by the force of an explosive; a piece of ordnance.  

Control - to hold in check; curb

I thought it was self-explanatory.

P.S.  You forgot to put that commie Prime Minister up there.


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Quote from EMyers at 9:57 PM on March 23, 2007 :
Gun - a weapon consisting of a metal tube, with mechanical attachments, from which projectiles are shot by the force of an explosive; a piece of ordnance.  

Control - to hold in check; curb

I thought it was self-explanatory.

P.S.  You forgot to put that commie Prime Minister up there.


you still just do not get it.... and if you want to add the prime minister there go for it...I do not add to what someone else has already made...






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Posts: 58 | Posted: 10:48 PM on March 23, 2007 | IP
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You asked me what gun control means.  I gave you the definition of the terms.  If you disagree with the definition, I suggest you complain to Webster.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 10:51 PM on March 23, 2007 | IP
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In 1935 China established gun control. Between 1948 and 1952, over 20 million dissidents were rounded up and murdered by the Communists.


WOW...I didn't read all of the original post, but the instant I saw that I stopped reading. This is the blatant image of number twisting, truth bending propoganda. China had a massive drought and famine in the 1950s and millions died. In no way did that have any relation to gun control. This throws mud on all the "statistics" you put up.... Because Johnny didn't eat his vegetables, thousands of people died in Sudan. Therefore not eating vegetables murders Africans.
 


Posts: 86 | Posted: 6:40 PM on March 28, 2007 | IP
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So much for keeping our guns if we register them. On the other hand, lenient gun laws mean less crime. In Switzerland, all males from the ages of 20 to 42 are required to have guns. The Swiss have almost no murders and a very low crime rate!


This is not true. Not all males are required, there are exemptions. Furthermore Switzerland has STRICTER gun control laws. First of all MANDATORY MILITARY SERVICE. You also have to register ammunition sales from commercial business. You also need a permit to purchase firearms from al business and it limits you to 3 guns per permit per person. Even FTF private sales are required to be documented  for 10 years. The rifle issued after MANDATORY MILITARY SERVICE can only be used during war and ammunition for it comes in a sealed can and it is a CRIME to break the seal unless during times of war.
 


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Always on the goverments side huh
I despise ALOT of them so that makes you a good poster child for them.
I do what the **** I want anyways but leave the good people alone dont make their life any harder.
 


Posts: 65 | Posted: 8:36 PM on March 28, 2007 | IP
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If you don't like the government, you can vote for a new one.  I find that most of the people who complain about the goverment are too lazy to get off their buttocks and vote.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:07 PM on March 28, 2007 | IP
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Always on the goverments side huh
I despise ALOT of them so that makes you a good poster child for them.
I do what the **** I want anyways but leave the good people alone dont make their life any harder.


I'm on the side of reality. I don't spew propoganda left over from the 60s. I found things entirely incorrect with that post and discredited them. You however, offer no argument other than "I despise them and because your statements countered with my false reality of evil commies movement left over from the McCarthy era, I despise you too". Who's the sheep following the flock now?

(Edited by quatin 3/29/2007 at 11:59 AM).
 


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