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Brady Campaign Proves Gun Control Doesn't Work
 


Posts: 38 | Posted: 7:26 PM on April 9, 2007 | IP
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That was a very good report that you mentioned.  In fact, if you look at 1994 (the year the Brady Bill went into effect) you will notice that it was the last year that the per capita violent crime rate was over 700 which has gone steadily down to 465.5 in 2004.

It also notes that New Hampshire (the biggest gain in violent crimes) received a D- from the Brady Bill and Rhode Island (the biggest decline in violent crimes) received a B-.  I applaud you on your use of this information.  Most gun proponents would've done all they could to hide this from us.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 7:53 PM on April 9, 2007 | IP
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You can point out any anomaly you want.  The charts clearly show that there is no discernible correlation between gun control and violent crime.  If you want to force a correlation, states with more control are more dangerous, any way you slice it.
 


Posts: 38 | Posted: 8:39 PM on April 9, 2007 | IP
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So you believe that the fact that the largest decline in violent crime belonged to a highly rated state and the largest gain in violent crime belonged to a lowly rated state should be ignored?


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 9:32 PM on April 9, 2007 | IP
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Yes, in the same way that you are ignoring that states with more gun control have more violent crime any way you average them.
 


Posts: 38 | Posted: 9:47 PM on April 9, 2007 | IP
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Good luck in New Hampshire.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 01:22 AM on April 10, 2007 | IP
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The only people that lack guns in an aria with strict gun control is the law abiding civilians. The crimminals all still have guns.


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Tread softy and carry a big stick, preferably an AT4
 


Posts: 681 | Posted: 6:24 PM on April 10, 2007 | IP
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Only the criminals have cocaine and child porn too, what's your point?  That whole bull line of "if we outlaw something only outlaws will have it" is absolutely ludicrous.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 6:37 PM on April 10, 2007 | IP
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So a gun used to save ones life is the same a cocain and child porn?


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 9:55 PM on April 10, 2007 | IP
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Exactly my point.  Once you substitute the nouns you realize how stupid the argument is.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 08:01 AM on April 11, 2007 | IP
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EMYERs I think you are retarded
 


Posts: 65 | Posted: 2:21 PM on April 11, 2007 | IP
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Which shows how little value we should give to your opinion.  Thank you for clearing that up.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 8:33 PM on April 11, 2007 | IP
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I still say you should keep out of making decisions for other people
 


Posts: 65 | Posted: 8:55 PM on April 11, 2007 | IP
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I'm not making decisions for other people (other than my children).  Unless you count the fact that I vote for elected officials who make decisions, which means all Americans are (or should be) making decisions for other people.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 4:50 PM on April 12, 2007 | IP
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Emyers,

You fail to realize that there is not a constitutional amendment in the Bill of Rights protecting child porn and cocaine. However, there is one protecting the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

The Bill of Rights, also known as the first ten amendments lay down the limitations of governments and the rights of the people. All laws and amendments after it are supposed to be created within the bounds of the Bill of Rights. Laws can be passed, repealed, and changed. The Bill of Rights cannot.

Equating the constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms with child pornography and cocaine abuse is disturbingly inaccurate...
 


Posts: 11 | Posted: 9:15 PM on April 17, 2007 | IP
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I don't recall equating the constitutionality of it... I recall equating the whole line of "if we outlaw something only outlaws will have it" bologna that people tend to spout.  Perhaps you misread.


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Posted by EMyers at Wed April 18, 2007 - 6:02 PM
"I don't recall equating the constitutionality of it... I recall equating the whole line of "if we outlaw something only outlaws will have it" bologna that people tend to spout.  Perhaps you misread."
If bans do get through EMYERS you better watch your back when walking down the street especially when alone or when you walk like a retard.
I know for sure then that I will get all the banned guns and not care about the new unconstitutional laws and I will do what I want then.

(Edited by dmxx99 4/18/2007 at 8:03 PM).
 


Posts: 65 | Posted: 7:37 PM on April 18, 2007 | IP
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that "bologna" is true. When we outlaw something, only those willing to break the law get it. Cocaine is an excellent example of that. The legal difference between coke and my mini-14 is that the Bill of Rights assures me of my right to own the latter, while cocaine isn't an elementary right of free men.
 


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If bans do get through EMYERS you better watch your back when walking down the street especially when alone or when you walk like a retard.


Are you stalking me?  How do you know how I walk?  How, exactly, does a retard walk?  

I know for sure then that I will get all the banned guns and not care about the new unconstitutional laws and I will do what I want then.


Which is why anarchists like you shouldn't be allowed to own guns in the first place.  You're really selling your side of the argument there...  Oops, I meant selling it out.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 6:50 PM on April 19, 2007 | IP
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You want my guns EMYERS take them bullets first at high velocity.
"Are you stalking me?  How do you know how I walk?  How, exactly, does a retard walk?"
You walk like a old mummy probably and your breath smells like marijuana.
 


Posts: 65 | Posted: 9:47 PM on April 19, 2007 | IP
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Interesting.  I didn't know mummies could walk.  Perhaps you're the one smoking the marijuana.  I, for one, don't do drugs.  Perhaps you didn't realize they are illegal (not to mention stupid).


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 08:01 AM on April 20, 2007 | IP
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I held a Revolver out in front of a police officer and he did not do anything I just showed him it and he said "awesome revolver".

Interesting.  I didn't know mummies could walk.  Perhaps you're the one smoking the marijuana.  I, for one, don't do drugs.  Perhaps you didn't realize they are illegal (not to mention stupid).
I think you do cocaine or something because I am the Lion and your a sheep or a dodo.
 


Posts: 65 | Posted: 4:06 PM on April 20, 2007 | IP
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Hardly, if I was a sheep I'd be one of the mindless morons keeping guns in my house for protection.  I doubt you've ever had a gun pointed at you.  I doubt you've ever looked down the site of an M-16 at an enemy.  I doubt you've ever seen someone get their heads blown off (tv doesn't count).  You do that and then we can talk.  I'm not chicken enough to have to hide behind a gun.  I don't need one.  Go back to bed.  It's your nap time.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 5:40 PM on April 20, 2007 | IP
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I hate the redneck testosterone filled argument of many pro-gun ownership advocates.  "You can have my gun when you kill me for it" type of crap is just that, crap.

On the other side of the coin, we have the gun control advocates that lay stake to accidents, violent crime, and killing as a reason to ban guns.  EMyers, citing your reasons for gun control makes you look like you oppose ownership because of personal demons, not a real understanding of bearing arms or what effect that has on society.

While I'm sorry that you've had bad experiences, your argument doesn't hold any more weight than those that support guns because someone broke into their house and raped their mother in front of them.  You have your personal reasons, and in that regard you are free to make your personal choices on the matter.

But when you decide for others you err.  For example, those that benefit from guns are obviously going to support it, and those under fire hiding behind a wall are against gun ownership right?

But in the long run this is what it boils down to;  guns themselves are not the problem.  You already admitted this on another thread.  You have examples of countries with millions of people that disprove the gun control argument.  You have no legal backing for the gun control argument.  The only thing you have is personal experience where you perhaps wrestle with demons over hurt that you've personally inflicted on others with a gun.  If you feel you weren't justified in your actions, then you need to raise complaints towards the people that put you in that situation, not the inanimate object that is incapable of making intelligent decisions.

(Edited by malignantpoodle 5/2/2007 at 3:19 PM).
 


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E reminds me of my mother in law who was ragging on my guns as proof I am “living in fear”.  Then she got in her SUV (for safety!) put on her seat belt, checked the air-bag light, then drove home, walked inside, disabled the alarm, lowered the garage door, set the lock on the garage door (I kid you not) and set about paying her home owners insurance and long term disability insurance.  Luckily she is not “living in fear”, just being responsible with her life.  Go figure!

Lots of people “don’t need a gun” until they suddenly need one.  The woman grabbed out of her driveway a few streets over from my house did not need one, of course, until she was grabbed.  

E might not need one ever.  Lots of people live full happy lives without one.  But maybe one day he will need one, and that day could be the last day we hear from E.

Gun control advocates are often gun advocates after being assaulted/mugged/raped/ect.

 


Posts: 54 | Posted: 3:58 PM on May 2, 2007 | IP
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And maybe one day we will be struck by biochemical weapons and I won't have a gas mask handy and that will be the last you hear of me... please, let's not live in such constant fear that we need to arm ourselves for each and every possible situation out there... do you keep anti-venin on hand just in case you get bit?  You're more likely to be bit than you are to be shot.

mp, what would be the problem with regulating who can drive an automobile... oh wait, we already do that.  Based on most of the idiots I see out on the road it wouldn't hurt to regulate that a little more tightly as well.  Doesn't anyone know what a stop sign or turn signal is anymore?  Pop quiz... when making a right turn which lane are you REQUIRED to turn into?  

P.S. I don't wrestle with personal demons.  I just see a lot of people with absolutely no experience with what they are talking about trying to make arguments for something.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 6:11 PM on May 2, 2007 | IP
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Do you wear your seatbelt?  Have auto and home insurance?  Any kind of long term disability insurance?

If you do, what are the odds you will need any of those things compared to the odds of being the victim of a violent crime?

I think it was in 1996 when the director of the FBI was presenting the annual crime statistics, he noted that americans were more likely to be victims of a violent crime than they were to be in an auto accident.

I think it less likely you will use home owners insurance than auto insurance.  Since these things are very unlikely to happen, why not drop them and save the money?

A decent gun is $400-600, annual training maybe $100-$200.  That is a heck of a lot cheaper than auto/home owners insurance, for a risk on the same order.
 


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"mp, what would be the problem with regulating who can drive an automobile... oh wait, we already do that."

I'm not saying there is a problem with some regulation.  I'm saying that there is a problem with outlawing firearms altogether.  You seem to take on the perspective that you wish not to own a weapon and therefore nobody else should.  It's an introverted, self centered point of view to expect or even ask that others should live as you do.

Looking at other countries, we can compare various statistics that reveal that the object is not the cause of the problem.  For example, many countries allow for gun ownership, yet they do not have the type of crime that the US does.  On the other hand, auto accidents are the #1 cause of death in Honduras.  Are guns the problem?  Are cars the problem?  Here's a clue;  lifeless, inanimate objects are not the problem.

"Pop quiz... when making a right turn which lane are you REQUIRED to turn into?  "

Well, being that traffic laws are different from state to state, there could be many answers to this question.  Where I live, you are required by law to turn into the lane closest to you.

"P.S. I don't wrestle with personal demons.  I just see a lot of people with absolutely no experience with what they are talking about trying to make arguments for something."

I don't have to shoot someone in the face or watch someone's brains get blown out in order to take a position one way or another on the matter.  If you're not wrestling with personal demons, then the causes you cite are completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.  It's like saying, "I watched someone burn to death so gasoline should be outlawed", or "my neighbor was seriously injured from a nail gun accident when building his deck, so if you haven't had a nail through your hand you shouldn't be pro-nailgun ownership cause you don't know what you're talking about."  



(Edited by malignantpoodle 5/3/2007 at 12:27 AM).
 


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Ok, this is the third time I've asked people who keep making these type of statements... Point me to a post, any post, where I have stated that guns should be banned.


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