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Should gun registration be mandatory ? 

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 09:59 AM on May 1, 2002 | IP
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Yes, because lesss people who have bad intentions would like to have their name in a record for buying a gun, thus less crime and gore.


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According to that, Exxoss, gun registration would have the unintended consequence of increasing break-ins for the goal of stealing guns, and/or increasing the affluency of unsanctioned economic sectors.
Criminals would not register their guns.  The end goal IS criminal control, right?
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 09:07 AM on October 13, 2002 | IP
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If you are an NRA member than you are already a registered gun owner.  Think about all the personal information you send them when you join, or all the information they have collected over the years.  I am sure the NRA claims they would never share the information with anyone, but can you be sure.  How easy would it be for the FBI or the ATF to get the information they wanted.  Even if the NRA doesn't want to share the information, we all know how vulnerable computer records really are to anyone who wants them.
This all boild down to one fact:  NRA membership IS being a registered gun owner.
 


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So is even buying a gun.
The dealer keeps records.  An inspection can allow an officer to copy down names he finds on the Form 4473s.
Boom, you've just become registered.
 


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By law if the law enforcer(BATF
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 8:59 PM on October 21, 2002 | IP
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exxos why are you so biased against guns. i own several guns and have never killed anyone or will i ever. All guns arent bad i hunt with mine and i collect old guns. there is nothing wrong with it.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 02:15 AM on October 22, 2002 | IP
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well, i think i will step up to defend exoss here.  i doubt he is biased against guns.  i would have to say that the majority of people with guns can use them correctly and for the intended purpose of self-defense if necessary and more commonly to hunt, like yourself.  However, there are are few people who are not in their right minds who find it very easy to obtain a gun and go doing bad things with it.  So registration is important to find out people in different regions, who bought guns recently of a certain type, could be useful in any investigations.  nothing against guns, or people who carry them.  just those few idiots who ruin it for the rest of us normal folk.


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Posts: 8 | Posted: 4:06 PM on October 30, 2002 | IP
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i will say that gun registration would not apply to felons bc they would not be required to register guns due to the fifth amendment protection of self incrimination in the case of Hayes vs. U.S a convicted felon who owned a short barreled shotgun which required registration. the supreme court judge ruled that he did not have to register it bc it violates his fifth amendment right of no self incrimination. and registering it would of only incriminated him.


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Madbilly:  Must be quoting the wrong Supreme Court case.  Hayes V US was in 1898 and involved a land dispute, nothing to do with guns.

If you meant Haves V Florida 1985, it also had nothing to do with guns was about probable cause of fingerprinting a suspect.

Record search of Supreme Court decisions shows 10 cases involving Hayes.  None had anything to do with guns.  In fact your whole explanation sounds rather dubious, I doubt there was any case decided as you stated.
 


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im sorry you are right it is "Haynes vs US"not "hayes" it was a typo on my behalf sorry for the confusion. and this is a true atatement not a dubious attempt...but rather a sad thing to think about not having to register a gun if you are a felon bc it is self incrimination and criminal rights are more important than what makes since and what 8s right.


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Quote from Guest at 02:33 AM on November 4, 2002 :
Madbilly:  Must be quoting the wrong Supreme Court case.  Hayes V US was in 1898 and involved a land dispute, nothing to do with guns.

If you meant Haves V Florida 1985, it also had nothing to do with guns was about probable cause of fingerprinting a suspect.

Record search of Supreme Court decisions shows 10 cases involving Hayes.  None had anything to do with guns.  In fact your whole explanation sounds rather dubious, I doubt there was any case decided as you stated.



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"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
- Adolf Hitler, 'Berlin Daily', April 15, 1935

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i'm going to point out that a human being is full cappable of lying.

Gun Registration Officer "Are you going to be useing this gun for hunting only?"
Consumer: "Yes"

They lie, or rather omission is, "Yes I'll be hunting. Hunting humans."

people usally aren't criminals until AFTER the crime is commited.


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Posts: 7 | Posted: 11:48 AM on April 12, 2005 | IP
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Registration is the first (and last) step before complete confiscation.


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Posts: 6 | Posted: 7:08 PM on September 10, 2005 | IP
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Quote from Exxoss at 3:50 PM on September 25, 2002 :
Yes, because lesss people who have bad intentions would like to have their name in a record for buying a gun, thus less crime and gore.


A person with bad intention's will get a gun illegaly anyway thus your argument is meaningless. As far as registration cocerned you don't let the thief know where you keep your gold.

(Edited by TRIGGER 6/13/2006 at 6:15 PM).

(Edited by TRIGGER 6/13/2006 at 6:16 PM).


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Posts: 127 | Posted: 6:12 PM on June 13, 2006 | IP
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Quote from Guest at 09:07 AM on October 13, 2002 :
According to that, Exxoss, gun registration would have the unintended consequence of increasing break-ins for the goal of stealing guns, and/or increasing the affluency of unsanctioned economic sectors.
Criminals would not register their guns.  The end goal IS criminal control, right?


So we should start basing our laws around what criminals may or may not do in response to such laws? Criminals already break in and steal guns to commit crimes. Remember the DC sniper case? The rifle used in these murders was stolen off the shelf from a gun store. The store owner was fined because the gun should not have been so readily accessible. But paying that fine doesn't bring all those innocent murdered people back to life. Maybe we should try enforcing the laws that already exist rather than instituting more pointless statutes that criminals will ignore anyway. After all, they are CRIMINALS.

 


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Laws are not ment to prevent crime they are ment to punish those who break them you can impose all the laws and regulations you wish and crime will continue. The only real soluition is to arm the would be victims allowing them the means of self defence. Because the perp is 33 times more likley to run in to an armed citizen than a cop. And with an armed citizen the justice will be quick and perminent.

(Edited by TRIGGER 6/14/2006 at 9:14 PM).

(Edited by TRIGGER 6/14/2006 at 9:15 PM).


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Posts: 127 | Posted: 9:13 PM on June 14, 2006 | IP
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I really don't mind registering my handguns, but I will NEVER register my long guns !


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Quote from alfy77 at 11:12 PM on June 14, 2006 :
I really don't mind registering my handguns, but I will NEVER register my long guns !


You Should be as against reg. of handguns as long guns because most gun owners own both. Also once they reg. your hand guns your rifles are to follow and how do you make that argument?



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Posts: 127 | Posted: 3:22 PM on June 17, 2006 | IP
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Anyone know of any crime that has been solved because of firearm registration?
 


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Since it is illegal to register firearms I would say no.


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Posts: 127 | Posted: 7:33 PM on August 13, 2006 | IP
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How, exactly, is it illegal to register a firearm?


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A few years back the ATF tried to do a registration in PA. The courts told them to cease and dissist and to destroy all recoreds. Right to privicy had been violated.


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Odd, I know you have to register in Hawaii.


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There is a diffrence between a state and the federal government. The state of Mass does this too but it destroys the records after 5 years. And if you beleave that I have a real deal on the Brooklin bridge for you. A few states can get away with a registration because most states apoint judges and states such as Mass where Dem's run the show you won't find a judge that will stand up for the consitution and an individuals rights when it conflicts with their agenda. Just to let you know I couldn't get all of them my safe wasn't big enough.

(Edited by TRIGGER 8/15/2006 at 5:28 PM).


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Quote from Exxoss at 3:50 PM on September 25, 2002 :
Yes, because lesss people who have bad intentions would like to have their name in a record for buying a gun, thus less crime and gore.

Are you so naive to think that criminals would bother to register?


 


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The only point to registering a gun is so that the Feds can take it away when they decide that they don't like it when the average Joe can bite back at them when they tell him that he cant live in his house any more. It has no effect criminals. If I remember they are the people that kill in cold blood.
Also the Nazi extermination of the Jews began with harmless gun control. cant have those Jew fighting back, now can we.


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