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Kelvin writes,
"I have not killed anyone.  I have not interfered with anyone's freedom.  So STOP INTERFERING WITH MY FREEDOM!"

Gun-control advocates are not looking at you individually. I think the reasoning in other industrialized nations is that the best way to keep guns out of the wrong hands is to keep them out of the hands of everybody. It works. I mean gun ownership among criminals is very low in other industrialized nations compared to the US. Their gun crime and gun death rate is very low relative to the US. If you disagree can you think of a better solution? How do you propose to keep guns out of the wrong hands?



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you cannot keep guns out of the hands of criminals, it is not possible.  i feel the only way to cut down gun crime is every honest innocent individual own a gun, and have the education to know how to use it.


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The US's gun laws vary from state to state, and much of the crime emerges from areas with a lotta gun control. (California, Washington, ect).

"I respond by saying that guns owned by private citizens cannot compete with modern military weapons (such as tanks, nuclear missiles, bazookas, bombs, biological weapons etc). " The Gespato did not rush into the homes of Jews waving bazookas and tanks. Say a Jewish family was living in an apartment in the middle of Berlin. Are they going to bomb the hell out of it? Or send in soldiers, who would be under severe risk of an ass kicking, from fortified Jewish fighters.

"I mean gun ownership among criminals is very low in other industrialized nations compared to the US. " It's estimated that one in three criminals in England is armed with a gun.


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Quote from gunmyths at 8:30 PM on January 9, 2003 :
These statistics show that when you allow law abiding citizens to own guns, their guns often end up in the wrong hands.


You made this up.  Come back with guncontrol plans based on truth.

Your own webstie says so:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html


 


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Kelvin,
I obviously interpret the information on that website differently than you do. I don't object to you having a different point of view. I do object when you resort to name calling and personal attacks. You called me a liar in another thread concerning this same subject.

Kelvin you say,
" 'These statistics show that when you allow law abiding citizens to own guns, their guns often end up in the wrong hands.' "
Didn't your say that?  Gunmyths: Your website clearly states 5% of law abiding guns end up in the wrong hands. Criminals 'while 5% only said that they stole it.' - PBS"

You are quoting me out of context. When I made the above statement I wasn't even talking about stolen guns. I was talking about Pie's statistics which show that criminals often get guns from friends and family members. It is there for everybody to read. This is what I said:

" 'Again using the statisic from Pie.  Criminals get guns from family and friends who buy them with the intent of selling them to someone who shouldn't have them.' I think these statistics support my point of view. These statistics show that when you allow law abiding citizens to own guns, their guns often end up in the wrong hands. In contrast, in Japan it's very hard for a criminal to obtain guns because friends and family members of criminals don't own guns in the first place."



(Edited by gunmyths 1/23/2003 at 9:02 PM).
 


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"These statistics show that when you allow law abiding citizens to own guns, their guns often end up in the wrong hands."

When gunmyths said the above, does anyone here belive he meant just gun vendors?  Or did he mean private citizens who keep guns at home?

In a free market of ideas, good ideas will survive.  Untruths expose themselves for their stupidity.

It is all there for everyone to read.
 


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http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvsupp.html
This is a good chart for gunmyths to check out.


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Quote from Pie at 6:50 PM on January 12, 2003 :
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvsupp.html
This is a good chart for gunmyths to check out.



Thanks Pie.  Again it is all there for everyone to read from the FBI.  Crime is related to:

"# Economic conditions, including median income, poverty level, and job availability.
# Cultural factors and educational, recreational, and religious characteristics.
# Family conditions with respect to divorce and family cohesiveness" - FBI 1997


To gunmyths:

Your PBS website clearly states that guns at home is not significat in contribution of crime.  The FBI just gave you the correct reasons for crime.

Then why keep trying to restrict the freedoms of people are not a threat to your personal safety.

To fallingupwards.  If you can prove:

1) gun ownership and family breakups
2) gun ownership and a lower growth rate in the economy
3) gun ownership and lower achivement scores in standard test for students

Then I will belive you.  Or if you get someone with a Congressional Medal of Honor (Joe Foss, may God bless his soul), rather than a talk show host (Rosie) , to come out and say gun control is good.
 


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In the UK:

"Defensive gun ownership is entirely illegal, and considered an insult to the government, because it implies that the government cannot keep the peace. Thus, in one recent notorious case, an elderly man who had been repeatedly burglarized and had received no meaningful assistance from the police, shot a pair of career burglars who had broken into his home. The man was sentenced to life in prison. " - Dave Kopel, Dr. Paul Gallant and Dr. Joanne Eisen NewsMax.com

Does anyone here agree that justice was served?
 


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bull@*&#!!!  I read long ago (I forget so don't get all your panties in a twist if I don't have a link) that a burgler (in Cali) was climbing around on a rooftop and fell through a skylight into the kichten and cut his hand on a knife that was left out. Then he (succesfully) sued the owners of the house for damages!!! Sound sorta like this.


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Quote from Bograt at 8:50 PM on January 12, 2003 :
bull@*&#!!!  I read long ago (I forget so don't get all your panties in a twist if I don't have a link) that a burgler (in Cali) was climbing around on a rooftop and fell through a skylight into the kichten and cut his hand on a knife that was left out. Then he (succesfully) sued the owners of the house for damages!!! Sound sorta like this.



http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/21/205139.shtml
 


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Sorry more bad news from the UK about the new gun stats.

"Meanwhile, America's traditionally high and England and Wales's traditionally low murder rates are remorselessly converging. In 1981, the US rate was nine times higher than the English. By 1995, it was six times. Last year, it was down to 3.5. Given that US statistics, unlike the British ones, include manslaughter and other lesser charges, the real rate is much closer. New York has just recorded the lowest murder rate since the 19th century. I'll bet that in the next two years London's murder rate overtakes it." - By Mark Steyn (Filed: 05/01/2003) Telegraph UK




 


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Hi guys, just off the main flowing topic for a minute - I am an Aussie and if you know your news then you'll know Australia has Gun Control. Can I stress that your country doesn't get gun control!!!
In the first 12 months of gun control being forced into Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre 640,000 firearms were surrendered to the government to be destroyed (ended up costing the gov. $500,000,000). Martin Bryant was blamed for the massacre even though he is innocent beyond a reasonable doubt (the whole thing stinks of conspiracy - see http://www.overflow.net.au/~nedwood/innocent.html   for a bit of evidence that demands a verdict). Anyway, in the first 12 months hommicides, nation wide, went up 3.2%. Assaults went up 8.6%. Armed robberies went up 44%. In Victoria (a state in the lower south east) armed robberies went up 300%. There was a dramatic increase in the assaults of the elderly.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. Later 1,500,000 armenians, unable to defend themselves were slaughtered.
In 1929, the soviet union established gun control, within the next 30 years 20,000,000 dissidents were rounded up and slaughtered.
In 1938, Nazi gun control established that jews are not allowed to carry guns and ammunition. The next 6 years at least 13,000,000 were rounded up... and you know the rest.
In China, gun control established in 1935 and for the next 10 years 20,000,000 political dissidents were killed.
Guatemala got gun control in 1964 in the next 15 years 100,000 Miyan Indians were exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970 for the next 8 years 300,000 Christians were murdered.
Cambodia established Gun control in 1956 and from '75 to '77 at least 1,000,000 educated people were unable to defend themselves and put to death.

I hope Australia isn't next in a gradual massacre of that magnitude. The issue isn't about guns, its about control! Every dictator wanted gun control (Stallin, Lennin, Hitler etc.). With guns we are citizens, without guns we are subjects.
And right now I am subject to whatever as I am defenseless.
Next time someone talks about gun control in your country - ask them "Who do you want to round up and exterminate?"

Well I just had to tell someone. Thanks for listening/reading
Catch you all later :-|

 


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I have commented on this in other posts.



(Edited by gunmyths 1/13/2003 at 9:50 PM).
 


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There have been 8 new posts since your last one.  To which points, exactly, have you responded to in other threads?

(Edited by Pie 1/13/2003 at 9:49 PM).


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Sorry Pie I wasn't more specific. In other posts I basically commented that I bet those deaths would have occured whether or not people had guns. Can you really blame the holocaust on gun-control? Are there any modern day examples where people have been able to use guns to successfully defend themselves against dictators with powerful armies such as Hitler?





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There were millions of Jews living in Germany when the Nazis came into power. If the Jews armed themselves when they began to be persecuted, do you think the Nazis would be able to sustain a war with hundreds of thousands of Jews, on top of the attacking forces? Far less would have died.
I can't think of of any recent examples in which an armed citizenry has successfully defended themselves against a tyrannical government-because none of the victims have been armed.


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Quote from Pie at 11:12 PM on January 11, 2003 :

" The Gespato did not rush into the homes of Jews waving bazookas and tanks. Say a Jewish family was living in an apartment in the middle of Berlin. Are they going to bomb the hell out of it? Or send in soldiers, who would be under severe risk of an ass kicking, from fortified Jewish fighters."

dear pie,
either you are very young or just a naive adult. armed citizens never ever have a chance to fight back an organized army. if a government threatens the citizenship with their military, do you really think some brave militias are able to fight them back? this is just ridiculous.




 


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It is rather clear from the intelligability of your post that you are either below the age of 7, or mentally retarded. Armed citizens can fight back against an organized army if the situation calls for it-not just a few militia type affairs, but a citizens army, really.


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Quote from gunmyths at 9:54 PM on January 13, 2003 :
Are there any modern day examples where people have been able to use guns to successfully defend themselves against dictators with powerful armies such as Hitler?

(Edited by gunmyths 1/13/2003 at 10:04 PM).


December 7, 1941.  Hawaii was not invaded just from the potential threat of thousands of guns pointed out kitchen windows.

The Japanese: "We did indeed know much about your preparedness. We knew that probably every second home in your country contained firearms. We knew that your country actually had state championships for private citizens shooting military rifles. We were not fools to set foot in such quicksand." -Dr. Francis Nigel Lee csanews.net


 


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despite the fact, that this whole issue about militia and armed citizenship is completly paranoid to me, suppose this scenario: your military plans a military putsch. besides it is pretty unimaginable, citizenship will be the last to know about it. most of the actions will be through within weeks, maybe months. so you assume, that this is enough time for an armed citizenship to figure out  tactics, strategy, knowledge about enemy's strategy, logistics, supply, etc. citizenship.
you might say, that at least you can fight back in some way. i agree with that, yes, but for a very short time. think about artillery, air support, equipment in its whole.
armed citizenship can fight back some indians armed with bows and arrows, but not a modern army.
 


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Your observation is just as you stated, paranoid.  Mybe if the indians were equally well equiped there would be no indian resevations.

Let me paraphrase an NRA president, "Guns are tools that make common men equal to kings."
 


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(The Aussie guy again)
Gunmyths, you said "In other posts I basically commented that I bet those deaths would have occured whether or not people had guns" This is your opinion - you don't know this for a fact. In 1982 the town of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring all able adults (except convicts or CO's) to have a gun. They have had only one murder (from an out of state criminal with a gun) and have had no increase in crime or violence in 12 years. My opinion is if I knew my people were getting slaughtered at an average rate of 2.16 million a year I would put up a heavy resistance. 13 million people is a lot of people. Enough to overcome most armies. Especially if they have rights to access firearms and the like and are scattered behind the enemies lines (actually residing in Germany - big advantage - lets just say Hitler would've been walking around in a bullet proof vest).
Hitler once said "This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation had full gun registration. Our streets will be safe, our police... more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." - Adolph Hitler April 15, 1935 speech to Reichstag.
I say again every dictator wanted gun control. Once Hitler had control 3 years later the slaughter began.
I think the facts speak for themselves. And where a tyranical dictator is involved (not to mention communism) it makes it even worse.
 


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"you assume, that this is enough time for an armed citizenship to figure out  tactics, strategy, knowledge about enemy's strategy, logistics, supply, etc. citizenship." More than enough time to bugger everything up.


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i have a simple question. if you agree quite a few kids kill themselves accidently by guns every year, why not just give up your guns? i am not even talking about whether it is your legal right or not. i am just saying, just because you have a right doesn't mean you need to exercise it. if you could save a lot of kids by giving up your guns, what is more important than that?


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some people are so obsessed with their guns that they are willing to sacrifice children's lives in order to keep their guns.


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1)More children drown yearly in buckets than die in firearms accidents.
2)Despite what the Brady Bunch would have you believe, a 20 year old drug dealer getting shot by clients on the street is not a child
3)If guns are outlawed, far more children would become murder and assult victims, as would more adults, ect.  Saving a few children only to kill far more doesn't make to much sense.


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Quote from AlexanderTheGreat at 8:46 PM on January 16, 2003 :
i have a simple question. if you agree quite a few kids kill themselves accidently by guns every year, why not just give up your guns? i am not even talking about whether it is your legal right or not. i am just saying, just because you have a right doesn't mean you need to exercise it. if you could save a lot of kids by giving up your guns, what is more important than that?


I totally agree with your sentiment, but it should not be forced upon you by law.



 


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More logic and facts?

Anti-gunner Ted Kennedy has killed 1 person with his car.  I have killed no one with my firearms, probably never will, and has been drunk only once in my life.  Who is the most dangerous threat to society?
 


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pie, can you site some sources for your "statistics". you always ask for everyone else to site their sources, but you never do.


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I'll say it again.

www.guncite.com
www.keepandbeararms.com



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wow, i can tell by the names of the sites that they are totally unbiased and give very accurate and precise statistics.


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Quote from AlexanderTheGreat at 8:46 PM on January 16, 2003 :
i have a simple question. if you agree quite a few kids kill themselves accidently by guns every year, why not just give up your guns? i am not even talking about whether it is your legal right or not. i am just saying, just because you have a right doesn't mean you need to exercise it. if you could save a lot of kids by giving up your guns, what is more important than that?



that is were education comes in.  the reason children are accidently killed by guns is because they are not educated about them, they need to be taught what a gun can do and to respect.  and the guns should not be hidden from the children, that just creates fantasy for the child so they will start looking for it.  take your kid out shooting at a young age, i wouldnt say under 5 though, and do alot of shooting, show them what a 357 mag hollow point will do to a watermelon.  

my parents never hid their guns from me and my siblings and we never even once messed around with the guns.



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wow, i can tell by the names of the sites that they are totally unbiased and give very accurate and precise statistics.


well have you checked them out?  or refusing due to their names?



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not all parents do that though. you cant force parents to teach their kids that stuff.

are you suggesting that we teach kids how to use guns in school? that would create even more curiousity for the kid to actually use it.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 10:05 PM on January 16, 2003 :
some people are so obsessed with their guns that they are willing to sacrifice children's lives in order to keep their guns.


my guns are to protect my family.  when i have kids they will know the power of a gun and respect it.


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i did not mean specifically your kids. i meant children in general. i do not doubt the fact that you will teach your children about guns. i am sure you will do a great job too. but not all parents do that.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 11:22 AM on January 17, 2003 :
not all parents do that though. you cant force parents to teach their kids that stuff.

are you suggesting that we teach kids how to use guns in school? that would create even more curiousity for the kid to actually use it.


i dont think it is a schools responsibility to teach kids that, i think we should force the parents to teach their kids.  if the government can force gun control, they can enforce gun education.



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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 3:53 PM on January 17, 2003 :
i did not mean specifically your kids. i meant children in general. i do not doubt the fact that you will teach your children about guns. i am sure you will do a great job too. but not all parents do that.



thank you for the compliment, my kids will definatly know how to use guns.  i think any person that wants to have a gun should go through a program that teaches them how to respect that gun.



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Quote from Maynard at 11:13 AM on January 17, 2003 :
[b]Quote from AlexanderTheGreat at 8:46 PM on J show them what a 357 mag hollow point will do to a watermelon.  





Maynard:

My father showed me that exactly when I was about 7 with a .357 mag, not with a watermellon, but just asked me to pull the trigger.  I remember shooting it and being very scared by it.  To this day I have an irrational fear of his .357 mag.  Dad says I even cried when I shot it, although I don't remember that.

Lesson learned.
 


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First of all, I think that the people would stand a chance against a well trained military becuase the well trained military(of which I serve in {1/156 armor}) would not turn our weapons on our own people it is absolutely crazy to think that we would use Weapons of Mass Destruction on our own soil and our own blood especially being as most of us in the military are gun owners ourselves.  Look at what happened in Russia when the Soviet Union broke up, the Soviets tried to squash the rebellion with military force and the military turned on the gov't. as it almost always has happened in modern times.  Secondly according to the Internation Crime Victims Survey(www.unicri.it look under industrialized nations) the U.S. is not even in the top ten anylonger for crime except for burglary which we were number 8,(burglary being defined as illeagle entry while no occupants were present, illeagle entry with occupants was considered home invasion).  Brittian and Austraillia top the list for crime occupying the #1 and #2 spots with the ammount of crime growing.  And what of the country of Switzerland with the highest gun ownership rate in the world and with the absolute lowest crime rate in the world hmmm.
Want some numbers for the U.K.'s falling gun crime rate?
1997: 12,410
2001: 17,589
+5,179 or 41.7%
(www.homeoffice.gov.uk)
That seems to be fallingupwards to me.
That was even when they have been known to
"massage statistics" by calling murder manslaughter and the such.  
Also The Minister of Justice Jim Wallace's wife and daughters have been mugged and sexually assaulted, that would be like John Ashcrofts family being mugged.
Crime is out of control in the U.K. God Save the subjects.


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Posts: 11 | Posted: 12:09 PM on February 14, 2003 | IP
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You aanti's are so full of sh** your eyes are brown... Im an Aussie and have more firearms then you can poke a forky stick at. All legel i might add... and its only the government that says we dont have a right to own arms... under common law we do have the right....Just like the right we have to own cars and the like... and our crime has got up in the last 10 years. All crime and its the government that tells us it hasnt because they wont admitt their wrong... And the only reason the world has high crime is because people in high places are involved... And i would say that 90% of all crime is because of drugs
 


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The sixties weren't kind to you, were they?


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your so wrong... i had a great time in the 60's... and if your refering to taking drugs then your barking up the wrong tree... never used drugs, I have no time for drug users or pushers... Funny the way you use that  as an answer to people  who you really dont have an answer to....your eyes are still brown

(Edited by Mikhail 7/27/2006 at 08:45 AM).
 


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Answer?  Sorry, what was the question?


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:15 AM on July 27, 2006 | IP
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Quote from Mikhail at 05:05 AM on July 27, 2006 :
You aanti's are so full of sh** your eyes are brown... Im an Aussie and have more firearms then you can poke a forky stick at. All legel i might add... and its only the government that says we dont have a right to own arms... under common law we do have the right....Just like the right we have to own cars and the like... and our crime has got up in the last 10 years. All crime and its the government that tells us it hasnt because they wont admitt their wrong... And the only reason the world has high crime is because people in high places are involved... And i would say that 90% of all crime is because of drugs


Please don't say you're an Aussie...I'm beginning to feel a great sense of shame wash over me...

And what the hell do you use your firearms for anyway? And where do you get them? And why? I mean, I could understand if we were like the US where owning a gun is like owning a toothbrush, but here...it makes almost no sense in my mind (and before you say it, my eyes are green and sometimes hazel - never brown).


 


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Don't worry.  We don't blame you for Steve Irwin either.  


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There are about 6.4 million firearms in australia... no one knows for sure... I wn firearms because i can.. Taken me 40 years to collect the ones i have.. And some of them are the dreaded handgun... There was more than the 640,000 firearms destroyed imported into Australia which were assault rifles in the 10 years before the big lie imposed on us by the government.. So wonder where they all are?
 


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Trigger has them.  


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Aw come on I don't have them all....


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