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Do you support Gun-Seizure Laws ? 

http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/guncontrol_seizure.HTM

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 10:02 AM on May 1, 2002 | IP
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Yes.  If people do not deserve a gun, then dont need one.  They cold be evil terrorists or something.


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 3:48 PM on September 25, 2002 | IP
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No.  Every person has a Constitutional Right to Due Process of Law.  That CT law violates it.
BTW, I believe the law was struck down by a court in rather short order.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 09:17 AM on October 13, 2002 | IP
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"Yes.  If people do not deserve a gun, then dont need one.  They cold be evil terrorists or something."

Sir I have been reading your post and am very shocked by your logic.

The Constitution protects my right to property.  It is never a good idea for the government to take property.

Being "not deserving" "evil" or "something" last time I checked was not  against the law.
 


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the Constitution is an outdated document that needs to be revised


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Oh let me see.  When the government takes property that is modern way of thinking.  

When a person takes property I call it STEALING!

The government is NEVER above the law.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 09:19 AM on December 9, 2002 | IP
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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 03:01 AM on December 9, 2002 :
the Constitution is an outdated document that needs to be revised



i think that has got to be the stupidest thing ive heard you say yet.  the constitution is there to protect us, the people, it is not supposed to favor the government, but any changes that are made to it are made to give the government more power.  i for one think the government has too much power, and we need to take it back!.

back to the topic, i dont believe this thing in CT is unconstitutional, as kelvin said it would be stealing.  if they started to take away guns from people who will "potentionally" cause problems, then they will start to take them from everybody.  and who knows where they will stop.  

i believe the government is trying to take all the power from the people, they want all of our guns so they wont have any threat.  and there are too many lemings out there that follow just because they dont know how to open their eyes and see whats going on.



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the Constitution is outdated, along with the second amendment. back when it was written, people lived on the frontier so they NEEDED a gun to survive. now i dont care what you say, but nobody in america NEEDS a gun to survive


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I don't live in the States, but I have to comment on this.


"the Constitution is outdated" Hell, there goes the individual freedoms. I can here em go whooshing by. You know, there is really no need for free speech. It only incites people to riots, and causes unsavory things like revolution against tyrrany. Nobody needs property rights-they'd just screw it up. It'd be for their own good they didn't have them. Nobody needs Innocent until proven Guilty-think of all the killers who get away because there isn't enough evidence. Nobody really needs the constitution-but things are damn lot better because you have it.


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i never said that every single thing in the Constitution was outdated. i simply said that, as a whole it is. not only is the second amendment outdated, but so is the Electoral College


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"As a whole" is the whole thing. And with over 10,000 murders per year, why would you say that no one needs a gun to survive?...a lot of those people would have had they been armed.


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nicely put pie!




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Posts: 270 | Posted: 10:02 PM on December 9, 2002 | IP
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how many people in america are required to use hunting as their only source of food? back when the constitution was written, this was true


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 10:36 PM on December 9, 2002 :
how many people in america are required to use hunting as their only source of food? back when the constitution was written, this was true



no one, that's the beuty of living in america.



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No one, and I don't give a damn who it is, will ever take a single one of my guns away from me.  Six of my guns have been passed down from my great grandfather now to me and I will never let them be taken.  They are a source of great pride to me, they are like a diamond being passed from a mother to a daughter.  Thats the way I feel about them and no one has the right to take them from me.  If you think you do, come get them.


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ok i will. where do you live?


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Oh good Lord.  Why don't you boys just whip em out, I'll measure, and we can get back to guns.  (Well I guess I should say ya'll can get back to guns.)


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if the government is allowed to take guns, what is going to stop them from taking anything else?


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i never said that the government should necessarily take guns from people who already own them, i'm saying that we should greatly increase gun control or stop allowing people to buy any more guns period. those who already own guns can keep them


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 6:52 PM on December 10, 2002 :
i never said that the government should necessarily take guns from people who already own them, i'm saying that we should greatly increase gun control or stop allowing people to buy any more guns period. those who already own guns can keep them



what good would that do?  if you want to stop people from buying guns, might as well get rid of them all right?

what ao wrong with people like me buying guns?   the majority of guns my family owns because we like them.  the weapons for hunting and selfprotection has been around for a long time.  anymore guns are bought just because it is a hobby to us, and we enjoy shooting.  and i know there are many people out there that feel the same way.  why is that so bad?



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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 6:52 PM on December 10, 2002 :
i never said that the government should necessarily take guns from people who already own them, i'm saying that we should greatly increase gun control or stop allowing people to buy any more guns period. those who already own guns can keep them



What about people born to late to purchase fireamrs?  If the younger people are prohibited from purchasing firearms then I belive that is age discrimination and against the law.
 


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 03:01 AM on December 9, 2002 :
the Constitution is an outdated document that needs to be revised



Don't like the constitution? Well Britain dosn't have the constitution, how about you go over there instead of screwing it up for me? or Africa, they don't have the constitution either and look how well it's working for them. you don't like guns? THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES IN THE WORLD THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR YOU!
 


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Fallingupwards84:
After reading this thread toughly I can only come to the conclusion, that that you openly support the ideals of the terrorist that we now face today. By saying that the Constitution is outdated and needs be revised, you openly admit (or openly allude to) the fact that the individual rights and liberties that you no doubt enjoy and take for granted, should be removed. If you have a problem with the way this government runs things, then by all means you should be trying to change the way government works, not bash it on some web site.

Furthermore, as to the statements made about the second amendment: The right to bear arms wasn't meant just so colonial American could hunt (indeed that was part of it's purpose) but also allowed citizens to form and participate in state militia activity (by providing service and arms) should US soil ever come under direct attack. As another point, according to the view of Thomas Locke, from which the Declaration of Independents was formed; the people reserve the right over throw the government should said government threaten the peoples' individual rights and freedoms. Hence the rights to bear arms gives the population a means to over throw an oppressive government, when force is the only way that the rights of the people can be preserved.

I will openly accept that I am wrong in any of the views I have given here, but only if presented with sufficient proof.


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Quote from kelvin90703 at 11:19 PM on December 8, 2002 :
"Yes.  If people do not deserve a gun, then dont need one.  They cold be evil terrorists or something."

Sir I have been reading your post and am very shocked by your logic.

The Constitution protects my right to property.  It is never a good idea for the government to take property.

Being "not deserving" "evil" or "something" last time I checked was not  against the law.




The last time I checked it was ilegal to shoot some one just because you didn't like them.


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