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Should Assault Weapons be Outlawed ? 

http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/ASSAULT_WEAPONS.HTM

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take a look at the simple definition of a assault rifle, a military rifle of a certain weight and size (i dont know, it changes) that is selective fire, meaning it can be toggled from a semiauto mode to a fullauto or 3 shot burst mode

since such a firearm is classed as full auto by the gov they were outlawed since 1934 before the word came into being, the point is moot

the semi auto assault rifle is another thing, these have been modified to be semi auto for public sale in the US i have shot several, the only difference is the intent of the manufacturer

i once read a gun control book which stated (not a direct quote) a semi auto hunting rifle is intended to be shot accurately from the shoulder, while the semi auto assault rifle is made to be sprayed from the hip. these people watch way to much TV, I assure you that semi auto assault rifles are shot in the same way as modern hunting rifles, from the shoulder

these firearms pose no greater risk than hunting rifles, in fact they are less accurate, even then people hunt with them, my brother has taken 2 deer with an SKS and one with an AK 47

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Yes.  Any kind of gun can kill, assault guns just make it easier.  Less kill, more thrill.


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Have you ever shot an assault rifle?  It is a thrill.


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I have.  But killing things is a bad thrill.


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Go target shooting, people think the only thing you can do with a gun is kill.  Well kill a coke can or a piece of paper.


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The piece of paper is part of a living tree.  The coke can has living bacteria.  The guns can still kill, regardless of how they are used.  One gun richoched from a roof into a childs head.  Guns kill, accidently or not.


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People kill, not guns.  Its the Indian not the arrow.


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Good point.  While it may not be in many peoples hearts to do bad with guns, some still have the evil heart.  And for those that dont, they can make accidents.


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Heres something for you.  Check out this pic of an accidental gun shot.
http://www.intertek.net/~jumaragd/exit.jpg


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And check out this girl, shot by an assault rifle.  ASSAULT rifle.
http://www.intertek.net/~jumaragd/profile.jpg

Whats to stop these from happening???


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Well then do away with cars, they kill people but don't mean to.


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I have always been anti-car.  Except for electric cars.  But thats off topic.  Cras do kill, but guns are more lethal.  Check out those pictures again.  One death, one injury.  Gun accidents may occur less than car accidents, but guns still kill more.  Especially assault guns.


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Actually no, there are many more deaths caused by accidental car crashes then accidental gun shots.


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What are now known as "military style assault guns" function the same as those that do not resemble military weapons.
But you know what's REALLY funny?  The military has procured many firearms that aren't "military style" weapons!  Examples include the Browning designed Colt M1911 in .45ACP, the Beretta M9 in 9mm, the M1 Garand, the M1 Carbine, the M14, the M40 (bolt action rifle), just to name a few.
But you know what's EVEN funnier?  Most of the "military style assault guns" that are objected to, would not be fit for military service.  The military would REJECT them!
 


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Quote from Exxoss at 4:36 PM on September 26, 2002 :
And check out this girl, shot by an assault rifle.  ASSAULT rifle.
http://www.intertek.net/~jumaragd/profile.jpg

Whats to stop these from happening???



ROFLMAO!!!!  That's the worst photo fake I have ever seen!  What a load!
 


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A)Please explain how this is a photo fake.
B)The reason it lmay look fake is probably because of the blood on the face, right?  That blood is the blood squirting out of the girl artery as she fell.  She died smiling after a drive by.  Now please tell me that assault guns are a good thing...


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I had to have Exxoss explain that to me at school.  He is in debate with me, and he had that as a point.  It does look fake, i must admit myself that i thought it was a fake.  But then i said that to the teacher and he explained to everyone.  Now it seems a bit more real to me sdince a)I asked my science teacher if the blood could have possibly done that.  and B) the hospital if that blood was real.
The bllod is real because of the fact that the bullet obviously pierced a vein and an artery.  Since both are very close to the heart where she was shot, blood is then haywire.  You will also note that she is on a blue strecher...


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fake or not, was it the guns fault or the person holding the gun?


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no that picture is fake as hell. first off notice the lack of any blood on the clothing...how convenient, if the blood was squirting like you say then there would be blood on the clothing. second no blood in hair or on mouth or in eyes. It looks more like blast of buckshot rather than an assault rifle bc of all the places on the face. second all where is she supposed to be shot....not in the neck bc there is no hole just some fake blood...looks like a smiling halloween goer more than a drive by victim


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now that I look at the photo that is the fakest picture I have ever seen.


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he also said that she was shot in the heart but the heart area is visible in the photo and there is no blood or anything there.


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there is blood on the blothing.  Mid left.

It is simple to believe it is fake;  but as far as i know from the origional site, it  is a sad photo of a dead girl.


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The only thing sad about that photo is that someone tried to pass it off as real.  Exxos have you ever been hunting?  


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dude when you shoot a deer you will know what a gun shot wound would look like...when you shoot a deer with a 12 gauge sllug you know what sausage looks like...ewww


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ive not ever been hunting and never hope to, but the problem is, assault rifle purchases make it easier for gangs, terrorists etc to get a hold of guns that are BIG and dangerous.


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fakest picture in the world, people who believe its real are dumb.

Exxoss, how does assault rifle puechses make it easier for gangs and terrorist?  and you should try hunting, it may open up your mind a little.


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hunting sucks. we should never kill animals for sport.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 12:21 PM on November 27, 2002 :
hunting sucks. we should never kill animals for sport.



you know what i wouldnt kill an animal for sport either.  

as hard as this will be for you to believe, there are people out there that hunt for food.  and i try my hardest for a one shot kill.  i respect animals way too much to kill them just for fun, and i dont want them to suffer.  

plus hunting is an excellent way to be close to your family.  i do not hunt for sport, nor does anybody in my family.  to assume that everybody hunts for sport is just you being ignorant.  


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A)There is no need to hunt for food, unless you are poor, in which case all youd have is a home made bow and arrow, therefore making it hunting for spport-the want for food to be rightfully yours since you got it
B)Hunting is wrong - we cant get meat from animals that naturally die, or get LITTLE from hunting
C)The only thing hunting makes families have in common is the unneeded slaughter of animals.

(Edited by Exxoss 11/27/2002 at 6:42 PM).


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your a vegetarian arnt you?

why is there no need to hunt for food?  do you think everything must come from the store?  

one deer provides enough meat to supply a family of four for a year.

i was raised hunting, i have a picture of me sitting on a deers rack when i was 8 mons old.  and it is not slaughter, it is a way of life for many people.  true there are many people that hunt just for sport, they try to get the biggest possible.  

what do you believe animals are here for?

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you would not want to eat meat from animals that die naturally bc they died for a reason, like cancer or dieases. Also older meat from older animals is very tough. When an animal dies you have only about one hour to take its guts out or else the stomach ruptures and the acids and bile will ruin the meat. If we ate animals that die naturally we would have to be watching them CONSTANTLY so that right when they die we would immediatly have to butcher them. By the way before you say "the uneede slaughter of animals" do me a favor and look at your shoes, your belt, your jacket, and your wallet and tell me that they are not leather, these animals are very useful. We use every part of the animals we kill for something. Think of all the products we get from just cattle. WE get leather, meat, gelatin from the bones to make candy, dog food, eyes to disect in science class in high school, and fertilizer from there intestines.


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Assault weapons are needed to take out the bionic deer and mechanized bear.
 


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animals are not here for us to kill


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You don't think animals are here for us to kill?  Its nature.  Lions and tigers don't plant vegtable gardens, they hunt.   I will never understand this, for 8 millions years this world has survived by hunting for its food but for the last 40 we have all of a sudden become anti-hunting.  What do you think happens in stock yards?  Do you think they name the cow and take care of it like a pet until it dies?  No they kill it and pakage it up for your sunday dinner.


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We were made as omnivores....we have canines, found only in carnivores, we have a complex small intestine, only found in carnivores, and we have a certain type of acid in our stomach (pardon the fact that I can't name it) who's only purpose is to brak down the fat and proteins in meat.

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not my sunday dinner, i dont eat that stuff


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And I guess you don't own a single thing that is leather.


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Quote from beavischrist at 8:41 PM on December 1, 2002 :
Assault weapons are needed to take out the bionic deer and mechanized bear.


i think the term assault weapons is used to liberally,  i use a M1 garand for hunting.  technically its an assault weapon, to me its just a rifle, a very, VERY, cool rifle.


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i purposely avoid buying things that are leather, yes


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M1 garand is a very nice rifle...ww2 GI rifle...does it do that thing where the metal clip that holds the rounds goes "ping" when the rounds are expended...by the way i hunt with your rifles arch nemesis...the Mauser KAR 98k...german. I love ww2 era guns so i collect them. This era showed the highest quality in gun manufacturing ever...and the comment from beavis christ about the bionic deer and assault rifles. This comment showed that you have no idea what you are talking about. Most assault rifles in america are a .223 caliber bush master AR15. this is a gun that is highly revered for its varmit killing ability (prairie dogs in particular) many states have laws regarding legal calibers to hunt with, and this guns caliber as well as most every "assult rifle" is of such a small caliber that it is illegal to hunt deer with in most states. Second you act as if "assault rifles" are fully automatic or something...they are not.


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yup, it goes ping when youre done, then you got to watch where that clip is falling.  the mauser is a good gun, my uncle has one.  my family is also into collecting ww2 guns, we got a bunch.  i myself am more into muzzleoading, i like the challeng that only one shot brings.


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I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with being vegan/vegetarian, there is a part of it I admire, but I personally don't have a problem with eating meat.


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First off, to clarify a few points: 1) the main difference between an "assault" rifle and a regular rifle is how it LOOKS! The performance of a so called "assault" rifle is the same, if not less than, a regular rifle. 2) Take it from me, if you will as I am in the military, if you tried to fire ANY gun, be it a rifle, pistol whatever from the hip or any position other than you shoulder (or on the same level in the case of handguns) you would be Very lucky to hit anything from all but point-blank range. 3) I think man did not claw his way to the top of the food chain to eat like a rabbit, but to each his own, eh?


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i tried shotting a AR15 from the hip ad fast as i can, all i hit was the mountain side, the safest place to be was where the target was.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 12:05 AM on December 2, 2002 :
animals are not here for us to kill



what are they her for then?  

man has dominian over animals, they are here to help us, they are here for use of man, that includes food, clothing, work (such as horses, and ox) and companionship.  

if we wernt supposed to eat animals, then god wouldnt of made them out of meat!


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"assault" style firearms are around for a couple of reasons. First, the pistol grip found on assault rifles makes it easier to hold and also, if in the prone position (belly down on the ground, the most stable shooting position)
it provides ground clearance for a high-capacity magazine. If all the wieght of the rifle rested only on the magazine, the rifle would jam quite often. This leads to another characteristic of assault rifles, the high-capacity magazine. When it comes to ammunition in combat, the more the better. Now, why in the heck does joe smith need one? He doesent, but people don't NEED a 2 story house or more than one car, ect... but it sure is cool to have one.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 1:21 PM on December 6, 2002 | IP
Maynard

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i like your way of thinking.  

in this supposeadly free country we have the right to have an assault rifle, or should have, if we want to, regardless of need.  


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Posts: 270 | Posted: 1:29 PM on December 6, 2002 | IP
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10-Q, I just want to see what the other side thinks.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 2:23 PM on December 6, 2002 | IP
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Assault rifle ban is a Second Amendment issue.  When the SA was written it was to provide protection of citizens from a tyranical government with modern military weapons.  Durring that time military weapons a muzzle loading single shot weapon.  The delicate balance between government and citizens when the SA was written still exists today.  Today the weapons have changed, but the need for modern military weapons has not.
 


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